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	<title>Comments on: Its McCarthyism time in Tennessee!</title>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-788</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just a form of bullying. He won't draw any blood.</description>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-791</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah, but what an asshole.  Seriously.   Petty lawsuits like this should preclude people from civilized society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but what an asshole.  Seriously.   Petty lawsuits like this should preclude people from civilized society.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe P.</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-792</link>
		<author>Joe P.</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sadly this type of bullying has been most effective in supressing public opinion, 
instilling fear, and yes, wasting the court's time. Does it help to know such bullying is 
as common as flies on a pile of horse hooey in Tennessee politics? No. That it is 
accepted and encouraged by public apathy (or fear of reprisal) is sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly this type of bullying has been most effective in supressing public opinion,<br />
instilling fear, and yes, wasting the court&#8217;s time. Does it help to know such bullying is<br />
as common as flies on a pile of horse hooey in Tennessee politics? No. That it is<br />
accepted and encouraged by public apathy (or fear of reprisal) is sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-795</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"That it is accepted and encouraged by public apathy (or fear of reprisal) is sickening."

This seems a bit of a reach. What is the evidence that these kinds of suits are accepted and encouraged by public apathy. I rather think that it is one of the prices we pay for living in a civilized society. As long as the legal system ultimately recognizes the frivolous nature of the suit, throws it out, and will accept a countersuit, I think that's all we can hope for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That it is accepted and encouraged by public apathy (or fear of reprisal) is sickening.&#8221;</p>
<p>This seems a bit of a reach. What is the evidence that these kinds of suits are accepted and encouraged by public apathy. I rather think that it is one of the prices we pay for living in a civilized society. As long as the legal system ultimately recognizes the frivolous nature of the suit, throws it out, and will accept a countersuit, I think that&#8217;s all we can hope for.</p>
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		<title>By: daco</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-797</link>
		<author>daco</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-797</guid>
					<description>NetMom does have moxie. All hail moxie.
http://citizennetmom.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NetMom does have moxie. All hail moxie.<br />
<a href="http://citizennetmom.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://citizennetmom.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe P.</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-798</link>
		<author>Joe P.</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-798</guid>
					<description>That was a reference to bullying tactics in politics in general, not just in this
one incident. 
I just know of too many cases in numerous counties in TN as well
as at the national level, where intimidation arises and there tends to be a lack
of concern among the community, or fears that getting involved would be
detrimental. 
In my experience, unethical behavior is often left for "someone else" to deal with,
and that type of apathy helps to create conditions in which such behavior can
take root and grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a reference to bullying tactics in politics in general, not just in this<br />
one incident.<br />
I just know of too many cases in numerous counties in TN as well<br />
as at the national level, where intimidation arises and there tends to be a lack<br />
of concern among the community, or fears that getting involved would be<br />
detrimental.<br />
In my experience, unethical behavior is often left for &#8220;someone else&#8221; to deal with,<br />
and that type of apathy helps to create conditions in which such behavior can<br />
take root and grow.</p>
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		<title>By: GoldenAppleCorp</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-806</link>
		<author>GoldenAppleCorp</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-806</guid>
					<description>Be careful calling him a jerk, AT.  We don't want to be on his shit list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful calling him a jerk, AT.  We don&#8217;t want to be on his shit list.</p>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-807</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-807</guid>
					<description>Was the brothel of goats OK?</description>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-808</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-808</guid>
					<description>Alan Beauchamp was a high school classmate of mine. From what I've read about his recent behavior, he hasn't changed much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Beauchamp was a high school classmate of mine. From what I&#8217;ve read about his recent behavior, he hasn&#8217;t changed much.</p>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-809</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-809</guid>
					<description>Yeah, seems like you've mentioned that before.  Sounds like a real winner.  Did he give you purple nurples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, seems like you&#8217;ve mentioned that before.  Sounds like a real winner.  Did he give you purple nurples?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-812</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-812</guid>
					<description>Naw, he never bothered me. We pretty much traveled in different circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naw, he never bothered me. We pretty much traveled in different circles.</p>
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		<title>By: daco</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-840</link>
		<author>daco</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-840</guid>
					<description>The problem is Joel kept traveling and Alan just kept traveling in circles and never made it out of town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is Joel kept traveling and Alan just kept traveling in circles and never made it out of town.</p>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-842</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-842</guid>
					<description>Thats what this all boils down to, I think, is all you (the royal you) locals never made it out of the weird little high school cliques into the real world.  Which is one reason why I think it should be mandatory for every kid to get the hell out of the town they grew up in for a period of at least 5 years.  A forced exile, so to speak.
Hell man, I grew up in a city (if you can call Chatt-town that), and I still couldn't stand the idea of bumping into these people out and about, so I split.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats what this all boils down to, I think, is all you (the royal you) locals never made it out of the weird little high school cliques into the real world.  Which is one reason why I think it should be mandatory for every kid to get the hell out of the town they grew up in for a period of at least 5 years.  A forced exile, so to speak.<br />
Hell man, I grew up in a city (if you can call Chatt-town that), and I still couldn&#8217;t stand the idea of bumping into these people out and about, so I split.</p>
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		<title>By: daco</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-850</link>
		<author>daco</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-850</guid>
					<description>"Thats what this all boils down to, I think, is all you (the royal you) locals never made it out of the weird little high school cliques into the real world."

Well AT, as you get a little older and have some real world experiences beyond elementary school PTA meetings and blogging, you will realize that some of us have been around long enough to have moved away, enjoyed successful careers in other parts of the country, missed being around family as they continued to get older, and decided to move back to our hometowns. 

I know you are a bright guy so I have no doubt you will catch on. BTW, congrats for moving 98 miles north of your "weird little high school clique(s)." ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thats what this all boils down to, I think, is all you (the royal you) locals never made it out of the weird little high school cliques into the real world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well AT, as you get a little older and have some real world experiences beyond elementary school PTA meetings and blogging, you will realize that some of us have been around long enough to have moved away, enjoyed successful careers in other parts of the country, missed being around family as they continued to get older, and decided to move back to our hometowns. </p>
<p>I know you are a bright guy so I have no doubt you will catch on. BTW, congrats for moving 98 miles north of your &#8220;weird little high school clique(s).&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-851</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-851</guid>
					<description>Yeah, but moving away, establishing yourself elsewhere, and coming back is enough to ground you in the real world so that the dumb little cliques of those days don't have as much power over you as they would have otherwise.  
To that end, 98 miles is a good distance. We can go down to the farm for the kids to spend a week, get a tan and some ticks, and still come back to our world up here.  
I've always had a problem with these people who are born, raised, and die in a town, because damn near everytime they're the ones giving me some sort of problem.
There are exceptions to the rule.  
However, I won't say "your mileage may vary".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but moving away, establishing yourself elsewhere, and coming back is enough to ground you in the real world so that the dumb little cliques of those days don&#8217;t have as much power over you as they would have otherwise.<br />
To that end, 98 miles is a good distance. We can go down to the farm for the kids to spend a week, get a tan and some ticks, and still come back to our world up here.<br />
I&#8217;ve always had a problem with these people who are born, raised, and die in a town, because damn near everytime they&#8217;re the ones giving me some sort of problem.<br />
There are exceptions to the rule.<br />
However, I won&#8217;t say &#8220;your mileage may vary&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Netmom</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-854</link>
		<author>Netmom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-854</guid>
					<description>"type of bullying has been most effective in supressing public opinion, instilling fear, and yes, wasting the courtâ€™s time"

I've learned this week that there's actually a term for it: a SLAPP suit.  Stands for "strategic lawsuit against public participation." 

AT, I laughed out loud reading this post!  Thanks for your support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;type of bullying has been most effective in supressing public opinion, instilling fear, and yes, wasting the courtâ€™s time&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned this week that there&#8217;s actually a term for it: a SLAPP suit.  Stands for &#8220;strategic lawsuit against public participation.&#8221; </p>
<p>AT, I laughed out loud reading this post!  Thanks for your support.</p>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-857</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-857</guid>
					<description>You're in trouble for not being up front with posting that stuff, so don't thank me yet... finding out in the Observer.  Geez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re in trouble for not being up front with posting that stuff, so don&#8217;t thank me yet&#8230; finding out in the Observer.  Geez.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-882</link>
		<author>Terry Frank</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-882</guid>
					<description>What's interesting about Ms. Agle's site is that she gave it the same name as the political talk show "Let's Talk Frank."  She purchased the site in Feb of 2002 when my husband was using that slogan for his campaign.  She appears to have intentionally used the name of the show with malice to leave the public with the impression that Lee and/or Terry Frank were the blog authors.

Ms. Agle nowhere makes that clarification on her site, in fact, she was deliberate in her attempt to remain anonymous.  I'm all for printing "public information," but if that were her intent, why didn't she publish it under her own name?  Why did she use Lee's talk show name to do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting about Ms. Agle&#8217;s site is that she gave it the same name as the political talk show &#8220;Let&#8217;s Talk Frank.&#8221;  She purchased the site in Feb of 2002 when my husband was using that slogan for his campaign.  She appears to have intentionally used the name of the show with malice to leave the public with the impression that Lee and/or Terry Frank were the blog authors.</p>
<p>Ms. Agle nowhere makes that clarification on her site, in fact, she was deliberate in her attempt to remain anonymous.  I&#8217;m all for printing &#8220;public information,&#8221; but if that were her intent, why didn&#8217;t she publish it under her own name?  Why did she use Lee&#8217;s talk show name to do it?</p>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-883</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ahh, hello Terry, thanks for stopping by.  I noticed in the article that it mentioned something about the TV show.  Is your argument against using the phrase "Lets talk frank(ly)", or against the fact that it was anonymous, because, I'll tell you what, theres a damn good reason I don't go around throwing my name all over the place (tho those who are determined wouldn't have much of a hard time finding it out without a subpoena).
I had a harder time, myself, telling Beauchamps "Inside Anderson County" from the advertising garbage we get here once a month or so by the same name.  I daresay that few who are familar with Lee Frank and the show would confuse whats on the page with the show of the same name.  
Seems to me that what Agle did was twist a local slogan around, which has been a halmark of dissent since way back when.  Hell, the famous Don't Tread on Me had a similar origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, hello Terry, thanks for stopping by.  I noticed in the article that it mentioned something about the TV show.  Is your argument against using the phrase &#8220;Lets talk frank(ly)&#8221;, or against the fact that it was anonymous, because, I&#8217;ll tell you what, theres a damn good reason I don&#8217;t go around throwing my name all over the place (tho those who are determined wouldn&#8217;t have much of a hard time finding it out without a subpoena).<br />
I had a harder time, myself, telling Beauchamps &#8220;Inside Anderson County&#8221; from the advertising garbage we get here once a month or so by the same name.  I daresay that few who are familar with Lee Frank and the show would confuse whats on the page with the show of the same name.<br />
Seems to me that what Agle did was twist a local slogan around, which has been a halmark of dissent since way back when.  Hell, the famous Don&#8217;t Tread on Me had a similar origin.</p>
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		<title>By: daco</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-886</link>
		<author>daco</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-886</guid>
					<description>Mrs. Frank, why have you waited until now to let us know that the website and your husband's TV show are not connected. Seems to me that if anyone were using my name, or the name of my product to hold forth with political innuendo, the ink wouldn't dry on the web page before I would be posting everywhere I could to set the record straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Frank, why have you waited until now to let us know that the website and your husband&#8217;s TV show are not connected. Seems to me that if anyone were using my name, or the name of my product to hold forth with political innuendo, the ink wouldn&#8217;t dry on the web page before I would be posting everywhere I could to set the record straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-889</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-889</guid>
					<description>Daco, to be fair, there was some talk in the same Observer article I mentioned that the Frank's have a beef over this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daco, to be fair, there was some talk in the same Observer article I mentioned that the Frank&#8217;s have a beef over this.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-893</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-893</guid>
					<description>Caveat emptor.

I gotta agree with daco and AT. If this bothers you, you gotta get in there and push.

What Netmom did was a bit devious, but savvy. She had a hook and she used it. From where I sit, she did a service to her comunity (except for publishing the SS number of another). 

Ms. Frank, I figured out that Netmom's cryptowebsite had nothing to do with you. I'll bet I'm not alone. If you have something to say--say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caveat emptor.</p>
<p>I gotta agree with daco and AT. If this bothers you, you gotta get in there and push.</p>
<p>What Netmom did was a bit devious, but savvy. She had a hook and she used it. From where I sit, she did a service to her comunity (except for publishing the SS number of another). </p>
<p>Ms. Frank, I figured out that Netmom&#8217;s cryptowebsite had nothing to do with you. I&#8217;ll bet I&#8217;m not alone. If you have something to say&#8211;say it.</p>
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		<title>By: mrs. eaves</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-896</link>
		<author>mrs. eaves</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-896</guid>
					<description>"She appears to have intentionally used the name of the show with malice to leave the public with the impression that Lee and/or Terry Frank were the blog authors."

I find that unlikely, seeing as the website distances itself from the phrase "Let's Talk Frank" by replacing it with the headline "Let's Talk Frankly" and adding "because proper grammar dictates that an adverb modify a verb."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She appears to have intentionally used the name of the show with malice to leave the public with the impression that Lee and/or Terry Frank were the blog authors.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find that unlikely, seeing as the website distances itself from the phrase &#8220;Let&#8217;s Talk Frank&#8221; by replacing it with the headline &#8220;Let&#8217;s Talk Frankly&#8221; and adding &#8220;because proper grammar dictates that an adverb modify a verb.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-910</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-910</guid>
					<description>Wow! I just visited Terry Frank's web site. What a wack-job! She doesn't even make the pretense of logical argument. Here grasp of logic is typical of a middle school kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I just visited Terry Frank&#8217;s web site. What a wack-job! She doesn&#8217;t even make the pretense of logical argument. Here grasp of logic is typical of a middle school kid.</p>
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		<title>By: GoldenAppleCorp</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-911</link>
		<author>GoldenAppleCorp</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-911</guid>
					<description>"Her"
;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Her&#8221;<br />
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		<title>By: Terry Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-912</link>
		<author>Terry Frank</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-912</guid>
					<description>Daco--We did make an issue of it, in fact we addressed the issue on at least four of Lee's television shows.  If Ms. Agle were in fact just interested in making "public information" available, then she has her own website--a fact that you mention here.

If she is the believer in public information that she claims she is, then why not put it on her own site?  But she didn't have the courage or the decency.  It was cowardly to use the name of Lee's show as her web address.  Lee's show is word for word, letter for letter, identical to the anonymous site she created.

I personally, have no problem with the public dissemination of public information.  I have my own blog, I write a column, Lee has a TV show.  We discuss public information all the time.  But the difference is, we put our name and face on it.  We have people who agree, and we have people who call us "whack-jobs" as Joel has done above.

We are willing to take both criticism and praise.   Ms. Agle however wasn't just interested in getting information out, she wanted people to believe that Lee and I put up the site.  That isn't a public service, that was malicious--especially when she had her own site on which to post  information.

Your issue with Mr. Beauchamp's suit is completely separate from her cowardly act of hijacking the show name because she didn't have the courage to do it herself.

She claims to have purchased the site 5 years ago, but a computer search reveals she purchased it in Feb. 2002.  Lee was running a campaign at that time with Let's Talk Frank as his campaign slogan.   Not only did she buy the site while she was running the campaign of Lee's opponent, she maintained the rights to the site for 4 years---4 years being the amount of time Lee's show was on the air.

And although she "outed" herself in the media, she has yet to identify herself on the site.  It still remains an anonymous site with no disclaimer as to its authorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daco&#8211;We did make an issue of it, in fact we addressed the issue on at least four of Lee&#8217;s television shows.  If Ms. Agle were in fact just interested in making &#8220;public information&#8221; available, then she has her own website&#8211;a fact that you mention here.</p>
<p>If she is the believer in public information that she claims she is, then why not put it on her own site?  But she didn&#8217;t have the courage or the decency.  It was cowardly to use the name of Lee&#8217;s show as her web address.  Lee&#8217;s show is word for word, letter for letter, identical to the anonymous site she created.</p>
<p>I personally, have no problem with the public dissemination of public information.  I have my own blog, I write a column, Lee has a TV show.  We discuss public information all the time.  But the difference is, we put our name and face on it.  We have people who agree, and we have people who call us &#8220;whack-jobs&#8221; as Joel has done above.</p>
<p>We are willing to take both criticism and praise.   Ms. Agle however wasn&#8217;t just interested in getting information out, she wanted people to believe that Lee and I put up the site.  That isn&#8217;t a public service, that was malicious&#8211;especially when she had her own site on which to post  information.</p>
<p>Your issue with Mr. Beauchamp&#8217;s suit is completely separate from her cowardly act of hijacking the show name because she didn&#8217;t have the courage to do it herself.</p>
<p>She claims to have purchased the site 5 years ago, but a computer search reveals she purchased it in Feb. 2002.  Lee was running a campaign at that time with Let&#8217;s Talk Frank as his campaign slogan.   Not only did she buy the site while she was running the campaign of Lee&#8217;s opponent, she maintained the rights to the site for 4 years&#8212;4 years being the amount of time Lee&#8217;s show was on the air.</p>
<p>And although she &#8220;outed&#8221; herself in the media, she has yet to identify herself on the site.  It still remains an anonymous site with no disclaimer as to its authorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-913</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-913</guid>
					<description>Terry, do you have a copyright on the name? If you do, sue. If you don't, and you want to prevent others from using it, get one. If you can't be bothered, don't be surprised if others see the appeal of the name and use it (or some recognizable variant of it). In fact, Netmom's websites have created free advertizing for your site and for the show (which I'd never heard of until coming here and visiting both of Netmom's sites. Perhaps you should be paying her (and AT) a finder's fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, do you have a copyright on the name? If you do, sue. If you don&#8217;t, and you want to prevent others from using it, get one. If you can&#8217;t be bothered, don&#8217;t be surprised if others see the appeal of the name and use it (or some recognizable variant of it). In fact, Netmom&#8217;s websites have created free advertizing for your site and for the show (which I&#8217;d never heard of until coming here and visiting both of Netmom&#8217;s sites. Perhaps you should be paying her (and AT) a finder&#8217;s fee.</p>
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		<title>By: mrs. eaves</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-916</link>
		<author>mrs. eaves</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-916</guid>
					<description>I still don't see how it could be that Ms. Agle wanted people to believe that Lee &#38; Terry Frank put up the site.  Why on earth would Mr. Frank create a website that corrects the poor grammar of his campaign slogan/television show name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t see how it could be that Ms. Agle wanted people to believe that Lee &amp; Terry Frank put up the site.  Why on earth would Mr. Frank create a website that corrects the poor grammar of his campaign slogan/television show name?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-917</link>
		<author>Terry Frank</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-917</guid>
					<description>Mrs Eaves/ Mrs Agle:  She directly copied the name of the show.  She has squatted on the name for the show for 4 years.  She didn't identify herself on the site.  And Joel, it doesn't have to be copyrighted.  You can research the law if you like.  I wouldn't expect you to address facts---your emotion is in the way.

The show "Mrs. Eaves" is called "Let's Talk Frank" as in Lee Frank---not as in Frankly speaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs Eaves/ Mrs Agle:  She directly copied the name of the show.  She has squatted on the name for the show for 4 years.  She didn&#8217;t identify herself on the site.  And Joel, it doesn&#8217;t have to be copyrighted.  You can research the law if you like.  I wouldn&#8217;t expect you to address facts&#8212;your emotion is in the way.</p>
<p>The show &#8220;Mrs. Eaves&#8221; is called &#8220;Let&#8217;s Talk Frank&#8221; as in Lee Frank&#8212;not as in Frankly speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: GoldenAppleCorp</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-918</link>
		<author>GoldenAppleCorp</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-918</guid>
					<description>By persuing a position in the public eye, one puts one's self in a position to receive close scrutiny, hard questions, and even mockery.  It should be &lt;i&gt;expected&lt;/i&gt; that commercials, campaigns and websites will come about that mislead, attack and raise suspicion about platforms and positions.
Anyone who looks at Ms. Agle's website should immediately realize that it is in no way affiliated with your husband's campaign.  If you didn't want anyone to create a website based on your husband's slogan, perhaps you could have chosen a better phrase than "Let's Talk Frank".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By persuing a position in the public eye, one puts one&#8217;s self in a position to receive close scrutiny, hard questions, and even mockery.  It should be <i>expected</i> that commercials, campaigns and websites will come about that mislead, attack and raise suspicion about platforms and positions.<br />
Anyone who looks at Ms. Agle&#8217;s website should immediately realize that it is in no way affiliated with your husband&#8217;s campaign.  If you didn&#8217;t want anyone to create a website based on your husband&#8217;s slogan, perhaps you could have chosen a better phrase than &#8220;Let&#8217;s Talk Frank&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Eaves</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-919</link>
		<author>Mrs Eaves</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-919</guid>
					<description>"The show 'Mrs. Eaves' is called 'Letâ€™s Talk Frank' as in Lee Frankâ€”not as in Frankly speaking."

Are you saying that you didn't intend the slogan/show name to imply a double meaning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The show &#8216;Mrs. Eaves&#8217; is called &#8216;Letâ€™s Talk Frank&#8217; as in Lee Frankâ€”not as in Frankly speaking.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you saying that you didn&#8217;t intend the slogan/show name to imply a double meaning?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-920</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-920</guid>
					<description>"And Joel, it doesnâ€™t have to be copyrighted. You can research the law if you like."

It does if you want to enforce any legal claims. You can research the law if you like.

"I wouldnâ€™t expect you to address factsâ€”your emotion is in the way."

Heh.

Pot, kettle, black, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And Joel, it doesnâ€™t have to be copyrighted. You can research the law if you like.&#8221;</p>
<p>It does if you want to enforce any legal claims. You can research the law if you like.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wouldnâ€™t expect you to address factsâ€”your emotion is in the way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
<p>Pot, kettle, black, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: bosphorus</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-921</link>
		<author>bosphorus</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-921</guid>
					<description>What is the connection between Beauchamp and the Franks that the site, Let's Talk Frank(ly), seems to make?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the connection between Beauchamp and the Franks that the site, Let&#8217;s Talk Frank(ly), seems to make?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-922</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-922</guid>
					<description>Uh, bos, it is that the title of Netmom's alter-ego web site and the title of Terry's husband's show are very similar (the URL for Netmom's site is identical IIRC). On that site, Netmom exposes some pretty unsavory allegations against Beauchamp. Terry believes that Netmom is deliberately trying to confuse readers into believing that her site belongs to or is otherwise sanctioned by the Franks.

Since Terry displays a propensity for projection (see above), I can understand her concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, bos, it is that the title of Netmom&#8217;s alter-ego web site and the title of Terry&#8217;s husband&#8217;s show are very similar (the URL for Netmom&#8217;s site is identical IIRC). On that site, Netmom exposes some pretty unsavory allegations against Beauchamp. Terry believes that Netmom is deliberately trying to confuse readers into believing that her site belongs to or is otherwise sanctioned by the Franks.</p>
<p>Since Terry displays a propensity for projection (see above), I can understand her concern.</p>
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		<title>By: bosphorus</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-923</link>
		<author>bosphorus</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-923</guid>
					<description>Uh, Joel... thanks there Mr. Obvious. I'm pretty clear on that point. 

I think the play on the Frank name is clever, like you said, but that's only part of the story. It seems to me that Netmom could have called her site anything she wanted to and then published the info about Beauchamp. She could have done that, if all she wanted to do was simply bring Beauchamp to task on his alledged criminal activity. However, by naming the site what she did, it seems to me she is also suggesting a connection/association between the Franks and Beauchamp.

So, what is the connection between Beauchamp and the Franks that the site, Letâ€™s Talk Frank(ly), seems to make?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Joel&#8230; thanks there Mr. Obvious. I&#8217;m pretty clear on that point. </p>
<p>I think the play on the Frank name is clever, like you said, but that&#8217;s only part of the story. It seems to me that Netmom could have called her site anything she wanted to and then published the info about Beauchamp. She could have done that, if all she wanted to do was simply bring Beauchamp to task on his alledged criminal activity. However, by naming the site what she did, it seems to me she is also suggesting a connection/association between the Franks and Beauchamp.</p>
<p>So, what is the connection between Beauchamp and the Franks that the site, Letâ€™s Talk Frank(ly), seems to make?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-924</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-924</guid>
					<description>Well, beyond the obvious one I already pointed out, none that I can see. IIRC, she's had the domain name for several years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, beyond the obvious one I already pointed out, none that I can see. IIRC, she&#8217;s had the domain name for several years.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-925</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-925</guid>
					<description>â€œAnd Joel, it doesnâ€™t have to be copyrighted. You can research the law if you like.â€

OK, here's my research:

http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/11_9/news/9711-1.html

Where's yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œAnd Joel, it doesnâ€™t have to be copyrighted. You can research the law if you like.â€</p>
<p>OK, here&#8217;s my research:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/11_9/news/9711-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/11_9/news/9711-1.html</a></p>
<p>Where&#8217;s yours?</p>
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		<title>By: daco</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-934</link>
		<author>daco</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-934</guid>
					<description>"So, what is the connection between Beauchamp and the Franks that the site, Letâ€™s Talk Frank(ly), seems to make?"

None that I can see. Mrs. Frank may disagree, but I don't think that NetMom (Agle) was implying any connection between the Franks and Beauchamp.  

I don't know this for a fact, but I have heard that there is some bad blood between Mrs. Frank and Mrs. Agle because of past Anderson County Republican party politics. That would explain a lot and ladies....do jump in here and correct me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, what is the connection between Beauchamp and the Franks that the site, Letâ€™s Talk Frank(ly), seems to make?&#8221;</p>
<p>None that I can see. Mrs. Frank may disagree, but I don&#8217;t think that NetMom (Agle) was implying any connection between the Franks and Beauchamp.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know this for a fact, but I have heard that there is some bad blood between Mrs. Frank and Mrs. Agle because of past Anderson County Republican party politics. That would explain a lot and ladies&#8230;.do jump in here and correct me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-936</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-936</guid>
					<description>"None that I can see."

Dang it, daco! Stop agreeing with me! Next thing you know, I'm gonna become an old fart conservative like you. I'm not having it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;None that I can see.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dang it, daco! Stop agreeing with me! Next thing you know, I&#8217;m gonna become an old fart conservative like you. I&#8217;m not having it.</p>
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		<title>By: daco</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-937</link>
		<author>daco</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-937</guid>
					<description>Sorry Joel. You know come to think of it, it could be worse. I could become an old fart liberal like you. Oh the humanity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Joel. You know come to think of it, it could be worse. I could become an old fart liberal like you. Oh the humanity!</p>
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		<title>By: Atomictumor</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-938</link>
		<author>Atomictumor</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-938</guid>
					<description>I've found myself disagreeing with Joel lately for a change... maybe he is hitting that magical 'old age'?  I figure Bos will be there in a few weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found myself disagreeing with Joel lately for a change&#8230; maybe he is hitting that magical &#8216;old age&#8217;?  I figure Bos will be there in a few weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-939</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-939</guid>
					<description>"I could become an old fart liberal like you."

Whoa! Wait a minute. That's it! We agree because you've become a liberal. I love it!

And AT is becoming a fascist. 

It's all making sense now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I could become an old fart liberal like you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whoa! Wait a minute. That&#8217;s it! We agree because you&#8217;ve become a liberal. I love it!</p>
<p>And AT is becoming a fascist. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all making sense now.</p>
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		<title>By: bosphorus</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-941</link>
		<author>bosphorus</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-941</guid>
					<description>And I've somehow just become an old fart in this exchange. I don't know about this... I think I'm getting the short end of the stick here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;ve somehow just become an old fart in this exchange. I don&#8217;t know about this&#8230; I think I&#8217;m getting the short end of the stick here.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/07/20/its-mccarthyism-time-in-tennessee/#comment-942</link>
		<author>Joel</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Don't trust anyone over 30. I read that somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t trust anyone over 30. I read that somewhere.</p>
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