Comments on: Mortality In a Box http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/ Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:45:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1536 GoldenAppleCorp Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:11:25 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1536 That's not a shabby casket, bos. AT and I are doing the whole "thrown into an oven thing" methinks. Although AT's talked about being stuffed and mounted like a big grizzly bear. I'd use him as a coat rack. And, from memory: Don't you laugh as the hearse goes by For you may be the next to die They cover you up in a big white sheet From your head down to your feet They put you in a big wood box And cover you up with dirt and rocks All goes well for about one week And then the box begins to leak The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out The worms play pinochle in your snout They eat your eyes, they eat your nose They eat the jelly from between your toes So don't you laugh as the hearse goes by For you may be the next to die. May or may not be right. I read it in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. I was a morbid kid. That’s not a shabby casket, bos. AT and I are doing the whole “thrown into an oven thing” methinks. Although AT’s talked about being stuffed and mounted like a big grizzly bear. I’d use him as a coat rack.

And, from memory:
Don’t you laugh as the hearse goes by
For you may be the next to die
They cover you up in a big white sheet
From your head down to your feet
They put you in a big wood box
And cover you up with dirt and rocks
All goes well for about one week
And then the box begins to leak
The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out
The worms play pinochle in your snout
They eat your eyes, they eat your nose
They eat the jelly from between your toes
So don’t you laugh as the hearse goes by
For you may be the next to die.

May or may not be right. I read it in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. I was a morbid kid.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1537 Joel Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:12:30 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1537 There's always cremation, bos. That's what awaits me, according to my will. BTW, have you guys made out your wills? Don't want to end up like Terri Schiavo, do you? There’s always cremation, bos. That’s what awaits me, according to my will.

BTW, have you guys made out your wills? Don’t want to end up like Terri Schiavo, do you?

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1540 GoldenAppleCorp Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:15:36 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1540 Parents and AT both know how I feel about being kept alive artificially, though AT says he'd do it out of spite. Bastard doesn't know I've been dosing him with arsenic for a year. Parents and AT both know how I feel about being kept alive artificially, though AT says he’d do it out of spite.
Bastard doesn’t know I’ve been dosing him with arsenic for a year.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1542 daco Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:26:57 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1542 I'm with Joel. My plans are for cremation...but if I were to be planted this is the box for me. http://www.casketfurniture.com/items.php/casketfurniture_phone_booth.html I’m with Joel. My plans are for cremation…but if I were to be planted this is the box for me.
http://www.casketfurniture.com/items.php/casketfurniture_phone_booth.html

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1543 daco Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:27:58 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1543 As the add says, "talk till you drop..." heh As the add says, “talk till you drop…” heh

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1544 Joel Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:28:46 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1544 Wow! A dial phone! Cool! Wow! A dial phone! Cool!

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1546 daco Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:35:18 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1546 Years ago, back in the late 80's, there was a guy in Georgia that built coffins that served double duty. I always thought that his casket entertainment center was cool. Years ago, back in the late 80’s, there was a guy in Georgia that built coffins that served double duty. I always thought that his casket entertainment center was cool.

]]> By: anotherthing2 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1548 anotherthing2 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:39:50 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1548 Oh wow haven't thought of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036613/ Arsenic and Old Lace in years. That was a good movie for it's time period. Yes living wills, along with wills and decisions about guardianships are not something we like to think about but are a necessary evil. Oh wow haven’t thought of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036613/ Arsenic and Old Lace in years. That was a good movie for it’s time period.

Yes living wills, along with wills and decisions about guardianships are not something we like to think about but are a necessary evil.

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1549 The Bosphorus Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:48:09 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1549 I loved the Scary Stories series. Those books have some creepy illustrations. My link isn't exactly clear, but I want the one at the bottom of the page there. At one point I remember the monks would send you your coffin early and outfitted w/ shelves. I've thought about cremation, but nah, put me in a box. I loved the Scary Stories series. Those books have some creepy illustrations.

My link isn’t exactly clear, but I want the one at the bottom of the page there. At one point I remember the monks would send you your coffin early and outfitted w/ shelves.

I’ve thought about cremation, but nah, put me in a box.

]]> By: Netmom http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1550 Netmom Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:23:47 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1550 The plain pine box is my choice too... but only after they've donated any usable parts. There's something about organ donation that almost feels like cheating death, so that's my exit strategy. And Joel is right -- if you don't put something in writing about life support, there are no guarantees. The forms are on the State's website, <a href="http://tennessee.gov/comaging/Living%20Will.pdf" rel="nofollow">here.</a> I did it just after the Terri Schiavo fiasco. The plain pine box is my choice too… but only after they’ve donated any usable parts. There’s something about organ donation that almost feels like cheating death, so that’s my exit strategy. And Joel is right — if you don’t put something in writing about life support, there are no guarantees. The forms are on the State’s website, here. I did it just after the Terri Schiavo fiasco.

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1551 AT Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:45:33 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1551 See, I just don't care, because I'll be dead. I want the easiest, cheapest way of discarding this big assed body I've managed to grow for myself so that whoever's doing it can get back to business as usual as quickly as possible. Hell, if the stuffed and mounted thing won't fly, chop me up in garbage bags, or put me in a N. Georgia crematorium. I don't care, I'll be dead. Regarding death and mortality, Bos, this kinda stuff always gets me thinking. I like to think I have an enlightened view of it , and I don't fear it at all, other than what my being gone will do to the people I love. My Moms a hospice nurse, and before that was a nurse on an oncology ward, so I picked up a lot of it from her, but there have been two times in my day that I figured I was immenently going to die. Both times, I had the time to accept its happening. Course, there were mitigating circumstances both times (craziness in the head the first, and the second, well, DXM, which I certainly don't recommend to the kids). Why waste time being worried about it? Also, I think its facinating that you're a pretty spiritual guy, while I have no real post mortal plans. I wonder if that affects our reasoning Finally, my plan is to hang on just long enough to make the first wave of either cyberbiology or longevity pharmacuticals, wipe out any chance of natural death, and partay. Thats right folks, AT is a closet futurist. See, I just don’t care, because I’ll be dead. I want the easiest, cheapest way of discarding this big assed body I’ve managed to grow for myself so that whoever’s doing it can get back to business as usual as quickly as possible. Hell, if the stuffed and mounted thing won’t fly, chop me up in garbage bags, or put me in a N. Georgia crematorium. I don’t care, I’ll be dead.
Regarding death and mortality, Bos, this kinda stuff always gets me thinking. I like to think I have an enlightened view of it , and I don’t fear it at all, other than what my being gone will do to the people I love. My Moms a hospice nurse, and before that was a nurse on an oncology ward, so I picked up a lot of it from her, but there have been two times in my day that I figured I was immenently going to die. Both times, I had the time to accept its happening. Course, there were mitigating circumstances both times (craziness in the head the first, and the second, well, DXM, which I certainly don’t recommend to the kids).
Why waste time being worried about it?

Also, I think its facinating that you’re a pretty spiritual guy, while I have no real post mortal plans. I wonder if that affects our reasoning

Finally, my plan is to hang on just long enough to make the first wave of either cyberbiology or longevity pharmacuticals, wipe out any chance of natural death, and partay. Thats right folks, AT is a closet futurist.

]]> By: jo http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1567 jo Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:33:36 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1567 Here's something really morbid. I was listening to an article on the radio yesterday about this new option... Plastination http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5553329 Here’s something really morbid. I was listening to an article on the radio yesterday about this new option… Plastination
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5553329

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1570 GoldenAppleCorp Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:20:50 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1570 I wanna be turned into a <a href="http://www.brunners.com/lifegemprice.htm" rel="nofollow">diamond</a>. I wanna be turned into a diamond.

]]> By: Mrs. Eaves http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1571 Mrs. Eaves Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:47:08 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1571 Wow, GAC. I was leaning toward cremation, but the diamond is beyond all awesomeness. The notion of preserving the body for as long as possible after death (through air-tight steel caskets, etc) gives me the creeps. Geez, you're dead. Decompose already. Wow, GAC. I was leaning toward cremation, but the diamond is beyond all awesomeness.

The notion of preserving the body for as long as possible after death (through air-tight steel caskets, etc) gives me the creeps. Geez, you’re dead. Decompose already.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1572 Atomictumor Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:48:37 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1572 Diamond is the winner. Diamond is the winner.

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1573 GoldenAppleCorp Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:50:29 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1573 I was reading about how organic cemetaries are becoming popular. You don't get embalmed and any artificial materials (metal plates, plastic joints) are removed. You're put into a decomposable container and buried, no headstone or anything. I think that's kind of cool, too. But isn't the whole point of being buried so that friends and family have a place they can associate with you? I was reading about how organic cemetaries are becoming popular. You don’t get embalmed and any artificial materials (metal plates, plastic joints) are removed. You’re put into a decomposable container and buried, no headstone or anything. I think that’s kind of cool, too. But isn’t the whole point of being buried so that friends and family have a place they can associate with you?

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1575 GoldenAppleCorp Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:56:30 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1575 Ugh. A <a href+"http://www.brunners.com/detail.aspx?ID=79" rel="nofollow">rental casket</a>. Ugh. A rental casket.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1576 Atomictumor Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:00:04 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1576 Why associate the person with the location of their body? I think thats one of the problems with western society. Why associate the person with the location of their body? I think thats one of the problems with western society.

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1579 GoldenAppleCorp Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:25:48 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1579 I dunno? Because it's weird to talk to someone who's not there? When you're at a grave site, the person's technically there, even if they're not <i>there</i> there. I dunno? Because it’s weird to talk to someone who’s not there? When you’re at a grave site, the person’s technically there, even if they’re not there there.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1580 daco Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:32:08 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1580 Can someone tell me why these folks put stickers in the rear windows of their cars memorializing a loved one? Like..."In loving memory of Billy Bob Mouthbreather, 1976-2004, Mommy misses you baaaaaby." Am I the only one that thinks those people are weird as hell? Can someone tell me why these folks put stickers in the rear windows of their cars memorializing a loved one? Like…”In loving memory of Billy Bob Mouthbreather, 1976-2004,
Mommy misses you baaaaaby.”

Am I the only one that thinks those people are weird as hell?

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1581 GoldenAppleCorp Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:35:23 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1581 Heh. AT and I have mocked those many a time. When I die, the only thing I want my name on is a massive wing of some incredibly important building. Booyah. Heh. AT and I have mocked those many a time. When I die, the only thing I want my name on is a massive wing of some incredibly important building.
Booyah.

]]> By: Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1582 Bosphorus Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:37:45 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1582 AT, the spiritual side factors in different ways and usually depending on my mood. I’m a Christian and my religion tells me I have a soul. I have faith in that, because I can’t prove it. However, I go back and forth on this. I think one of the problems w/ Western Civilization is its latent dualism. It’s never really given up on this notion that there’s me and then there’s my body. So you get goofy notions like disembodied spirits, or more seriously, Gnosticism in all its glorious forms. When Christianity is truest to its roots, Judaism, it argues very strongly against the Gnostic notion that the body is inferior to spirit. When Christianity is at its worst it sees the body as merely a vehicle for a spirit. When that happens you see the body subjugated in horrific ways. That is one problem I see with disassociating a person w/ their body. AT, the spiritual side factors in different ways and usually depending on my mood. I’m a Christian and my religion tells me I have a soul. I have faith in that, because I can’t prove it. However, I go back and forth on this. I think one of the problems w/ Western Civilization is its latent dualism. It’s never really given up on this notion that there’s me and then there’s my body. So you get goofy notions like disembodied spirits, or more seriously, Gnosticism in all its glorious forms. When Christianity is truest to its roots, Judaism, it argues very strongly against the Gnostic notion that the body is inferior to spirit. When Christianity is at its worst it sees the body as merely a vehicle for a spirit. When that happens you see the body subjugated in horrific ways. That is one problem I see with disassociating a person w/ their body.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1583 daco Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:37:53 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1583 As much as you an AT love to drink beer....maybe a wastewater treatment plant. They're big. As much as you an AT love to drink beer….maybe a wastewater treatment plant. They’re big.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1585 daco Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:42:01 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1585 Yeah Bos, but doesn't Christianity teach us that the spirit is immortal but the body is mortal and we won't have any use for it in the after life? Yeah Bos, but doesn’t Christianity teach us that the spirit is immortal but the body is mortal and we won’t have any use for it in the after life?

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1586 Joel Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:42:33 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1586 Heh. The AT Memorial Cesspool. Heh.

The AT Memorial Cesspool.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1592 Atomictumor Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:26:10 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1592 Actually, I was under the impression that the bible says that the bodies and all will be coming back on judgement day, but I haven't been to sunday school in a few years... Bos, I haven't given much thought to the Gnostic/Judeo body vs. spirit thing. I grew up catholic, so they're a bit more toward the gnositic side of it, in that the body is spirit. Be, being a somewhat spiritual person without adherence to any sort of dogma, kinda like thinking of the spirit as energy, and the body as matter, and the difference between them being a matter of physics. I think theres a spirit, in that I think it is the software running the hardware that is our bodies. I think, however, that its something palpable, in that it is something that will one day be able to be mapped and transferred onto other media other than the cellular mush that is our bodies. Therein goes AT with his futurism. If you look at your existance for long enough as a series of 1s and 0s, not in a borg "we are all connected blaaaah" way, but in an objective "chemical reactions mixed with electrical zaps creates every single thing in your head way", I don't see how spirituality becomes something hard to debate. Whether it survives after the cellular mush decays, well, thats up to your dogma. Way back when, I heard something attributed to Sagan, or Hawking, or Einstein (probably not the latter, as he was pretty religious) indicating that as matter converts to energy, and thus can't be created or destroyed, we're all immortal in certain ways. Does that mean consciousness (which I interpret the Judeo-Christian spirit to) is immortal? Hell dude, I dunno. Something I've thought about also is that the atoms in your body aren't the atoms in your body you had a few years ago. If the building blocks of your body change, is it still the same body? Does X = Y? Anybody still reading this? And Joel, I'll probably get a lot worse than a cesspool named after me, I'm afraid. Actually, I was under the impression that the bible says that the bodies and all will be coming back on judgement day, but I haven’t been to sunday school in a few years…
Bos, I haven’t given much thought to the Gnostic/Judeo body vs. spirit thing. I grew up catholic, so they’re a bit more toward the gnositic side of it, in that the body is spirit.
Be, being a somewhat spiritual person without adherence to any sort of dogma, kinda like thinking of the spirit as energy, and the body as matter, and the difference between them being a matter of physics. I think theres a spirit, in that I think it is the software running the hardware that is our bodies. I think, however, that its something palpable, in that it is something that will one day be able to be mapped and transferred onto other media other than the cellular mush that is our bodies. Therein goes AT with his futurism.
If you look at your existance for long enough as a series of 1s and 0s, not in a borg “we are all connected blaaaah” way, but in an objective “chemical reactions mixed with electrical zaps creates every single thing in your head way”, I don’t see how spirituality becomes something hard to debate.
Whether it survives after the cellular mush decays, well, thats up to your dogma.
Way back when, I heard something attributed to Sagan, or Hawking, or Einstein (probably not the latter, as he was pretty religious) indicating that as matter converts to energy, and thus can’t be created or destroyed, we’re all immortal in certain ways. Does that mean consciousness (which I interpret the Judeo-Christian spirit to) is immortal?
Hell dude, I dunno.

Something I’ve thought about also is that the atoms in your body aren’t the atoms in your body you had a few years ago. If the building blocks of your body change, is it still the same body? Does X = Y?

Anybody still reading this?

And Joel, I’ll probably get a lot worse than a cesspool named after me, I’m afraid.

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1612 The Bosphorus Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:52:37 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1612 Daco, AT's right about the resurected body. That's how it's formulated in the Nicene Creed. At, Xtianity is always, IMHO, fending off one sort of Gnosticism or another. This is the idea that pops up variously stating that spirit, energy, or someother disembodification is struggling against cellular mush (I like that--cellular mush.) I understand Catholicism to be generally against it. They're the ones who first named it a heresy. But your point is well taken. It seems to me that you don't have to make a distinction between energy and matter, but then that's my cereal box degree in physics speaking. Why did you say that Einstein probably wasn't responsible for the quote due to his religiosity? I don't agree that consciousness is the same as spirit. (I have no idea what spirit is and trying to defining it drives me nuts.) I'd say we're spiritual beings in spite of our consciousness. I'd say my experience of myself leads me to believe I'm the same person I was yesterday. I think so at least... What's curious to me is alzheimer's disease. Here an individual consiousness falls apart and the person ceases to be what they were. Memory is such an important part of our identity. anyway... Daco, AT’s right about the resurected body. That’s how it’s formulated in the Nicene Creed. At, Xtianity is always, IMHO, fending off one sort of Gnosticism or another. This is the idea that pops up variously stating that spirit, energy, or someother disembodification is struggling against cellular mush (I like that–cellular mush.) I understand Catholicism to be generally against it. They’re the ones who first named it a heresy. But your point is well taken.

It seems to me that you don’t have to make a distinction between energy and matter, but then that’s my cereal box degree in physics speaking.

Why did you say that Einstein probably wasn’t responsible for the quote due to his religiosity?

I don’t agree that consciousness is the same as spirit. (I have no idea what spirit is and trying to defining it drives me nuts.) I’d say we’re spiritual beings in spite of our consciousness.

I’d say my experience of myself leads me to believe I’m the same person I was yesterday. I think so at least…

What’s curious to me is alzheimer’s disease. Here an individual consiousness falls apart and the person ceases to be what they were. Memory is such an important part of our identity. anyway…

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1613 daco Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:00:39 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1613 Sorry Bos, the Nicene Creed doesn't formulate anything about the resurected body that I can see...http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm. I'm a spiritual idiot, but I can read...please explain Sorry Bos, the Nicene Creed doesn’t formulate anything about the resurected body that I can see…http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm.

I’m a spiritual idiot, but I can read…please explain

]]> By: Mrs. Eaves http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1616 Mrs. Eaves Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:35:22 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1616 Thanks Daco for that link. I've never seen that site before. The Nicene Creed mentions the "resurection of the dead" in the last sentence. While bodily resurection isn't explicit in the Nicene Creed, I take that reference to mean as much. Bodily resurection is explicitly stated in the Apostle's creed, which predates the Nicene Creed by a hundred years, at least. Thanks Daco for that link. I’ve never seen that site before.

The Nicene Creed mentions the “resurection of the dead” in the last sentence. While bodily resurection isn’t explicit in the Nicene Creed, I take that reference to mean as much. Bodily resurection is explicitly stated in the Apostle’s creed, which predates the Nicene Creed by a hundred years, at least.

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1618 The Bosphorus Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:44:34 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1618 Ummm... Those aren't the Missus's words above. They're mine. Stupid sign-in thingy ought to recognize me by now. Ummm… Those aren’t the Missus’s words above. They’re mine. Stupid sign-in thingy ought to recognize me by now.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1619 daco Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:52:49 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1619 The point is dude or dudette...God is in my estimation one powerful cat. Whether I am cremated or simply decomposed in a fancy box, if it is his intention that I raise from the grave and regenerate a body or if he gathers my cremated ashes to regenerate a body...to meet him in the air...it's up to him and he can do what he wants. Cells is cells man...just ask Joel. The point is dude or dudette…God is in my estimation one powerful cat. Whether I am cremated or simply decomposed in a fancy box, if it is his intention that I raise from the grave and regenerate a body or if he gathers my cremated ashes to regenerate a body…to meet him in the air…it’s up to him and he can do what he wants.
Cells is cells man…just ask Joel.

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1620 The Bosphorus Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:55:57 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1620 Amen. I think Joel's a lurker on this comment string. Amen.

I think Joel’s a lurker on this comment string.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1621 Joel Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:01:01 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1621 Well, I gotta agree, cells is . . . cells. I find the whole discussion kinda quaint. A major reason for religion in the modern world (now that we know how planets move and what makes weather) is to help people deal with the finality of death. If cell biology helps you, go with cell biology. If Santa-Claus-in-the-sky helps you, go with Santa. Well, I gotta agree, cells is . . . cells.

I find the whole discussion kinda quaint. A major reason for religion in the modern world (now that we know how planets move and what makes weather) is to help people deal with the finality of death. If cell biology helps you, go with cell biology. If Santa-Claus-in-the-sky helps you, go with Santa.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1622 daco Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:01:59 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1622 Why would you say that? Why would you say that?

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1623 Joel Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:18:19 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1623 Uh . . . because I believe it's true? Why would you say something? Uh . . . because I believe it’s true? Why would you say something?

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1624 The Bosphorus Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:22:06 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1624 I'd say death maintenance has always been a "major reason" for religion in any time period and not only in the modern world. It's funny, but modern medicine has been captivated by death, too. I'm refering to the great amount of energy and money put into keeping death at bay. I think religion is at its best when it deals w/ the here and now. This brings me back to another reason for not separating body and spirit. When you do, religion tends to ignore our day to day existence. You get folks using god to pillage and plunder the earth, etc... I’d say death maintenance has always been a “major reason” for religion in any time period and not only in the modern world. It’s funny, but modern medicine has been captivated by death, too. I’m refering to the great amount of energy and money put into keeping death at bay.

I think religion is at its best when it deals w/ the here and now. This brings me back to another reason for not separating body and spirit. When you do, religion tends to ignore our day to day existence. You get folks using god to pillage and plunder the earth, etc…

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1626 Joel Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:26:40 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1626 " . . . modern medicine has been captivated by death, too. I’m refering to the great amount of energy and money put into keeping death at bay." Indeed. Fear of death drives every age. Medicine, though, doesn't pretend to give death meaning, the way religion does. Medicine simply sets itself as the enemy of death. And, of course, there's lots of money in the anti-death biz. Want to understand human folly? Follow the money. ” . . . modern medicine has been captivated by death, too. I’m refering to the great amount of energy and money put into keeping death at bay.”

Indeed. Fear of death drives every age. Medicine, though, doesn’t pretend to give death meaning, the way religion does. Medicine simply sets itself as the enemy of death. And, of course, there’s lots of money in the anti-death biz. Want to understand human folly? Follow the money.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1629 daco Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:51:15 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1629 If you'll notice the timing Joel, my "Why would you say that?" comment was directed at Bos. If you’ll notice the timing Joel, my “Why would you say that?” comment was directed at Bos.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1630 Joel Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:52:39 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1630 Ah. OK. Copy that. Ah. OK. Copy that.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1631 Joel Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:53:37 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/10/mortality-in-a-box/#comment-1631 Mea culpa. Mea culpa.

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