Comments on: Election, Part Deux http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:08:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1673 daco Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:07:05 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1673 Okay AT, you must not have been listening that infamous day that you “got jumped by everybody and their brother.” This election will not “be decided in courts” ole buddy. If Mr. Stuart et al are successful in their suits, then WE THE VOTERS will go to the polls and re-vote. No judge will decide the election. “I’d like to think we can run our own elections down this way without judicial oversight.” I’d like people to send me large checks that I don’t have to spend time earning too, but that ain’t reality either. Judicial oversight, (in this case) is a good thing. It means that we have laws that govern the way we do things in this country like elect people to represent us in government. “My beef with the situation, is if each election has to be decided in courts, what does that say about our electoral system?” Each election doesn’t AT. Some might need to be reviewed in a court now and then, but our “elections” are not being decided in the courts. That’s just hyperventilation. Your turn to jump. Okay AT, you must not have been listening that infamous day that you “got jumped by everybody and their brother.” This election will not “be decided in courts” ole buddy. If Mr. Stuart et al are successful in their suits, then WE THE VOTERS will go to the polls and re-vote. No judge will decide the election.

“I’d like to think we can run our own elections down this way without judicial oversight.”
I’d like people to send me large checks that I don’t have to spend time earning too, but that ain’t reality either. Judicial oversight, (in this case) is a good thing. It means that we have laws that govern the way we do things in this country like elect people to represent us in government.

“My beef with the situation, is if each election has to be decided in courts, what does that say about our electoral system?”
Each election doesn’t AT. Some might need to be reviewed in a court now and then, but our “elections” are not being decided in the courts. That’s just hyperventilation.

Your turn to jump.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1676 Atomictumor Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:21:02 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1676 Can't argue with you man. Like I said, my position is principled, which is the hardest kind to defend. Does it seem to you that a large part of the recent elections have seen the people who didn't win the thing jumping into court? Is that the automatic second step? Maybe, maybe not. I'd say "your mileage may vary", but I hate that phrase. Can’t argue with you man. Like I said, my position is principled, which is the hardest kind to defend. Does it seem to you that a large part of the recent elections have seen the people who didn’t win the thing jumping into court? Is that the automatic second step?
Maybe, maybe not. I’d say “your mileage may vary”, but I hate that phrase.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1678 daco Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:32:52 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1678 Dont' get me wrong AT. I agree with your "principled position." In general I don't think most elections should be challenged in the courts. I just like the idea that our system of government is strong enough to handle this kind of a problem without anyone finding the need to arm themselves. Being specific, if Mr. Stuart honestly believes that there were people that didn't vote because voting laws were broken, he is obligated to challenge the result of the election. He is responding in a principled way IMHO. No, filing suit shouldn't be an automatic second step after an election. It should be am uncommon occurance, but it is legal. Short of changing the law all we can do is bitch. Dont’ get me wrong AT. I agree with your “principled position.” In general I don’t think most elections should be challenged in the courts. I just like the idea that our system of government is strong enough to handle this kind of a problem without anyone finding the need to arm themselves.

Being specific, if Mr. Stuart honestly believes that there were people that didn’t vote because voting laws were broken, he is obligated to challenge the result of the election. He is responding in a principled way IMHO.

No, filing suit shouldn’t be an automatic second step after an election. It should be am uncommon occurance, but it is legal. Short of changing the law all we can do is bitch.

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1681 GoldenAppleCorp Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:04:55 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1681 Correct me if I'm wrong, AT (and I know you will) but I think that you're not necessarily upset that <i>this</i> particular election is going before a judge, but that this might become the norm. That anyone running in an election who loses will go whining about how it wasn't fair, yadda yadda yadda. There needs to be some process in place to make sure that doesn't happen. Correct me if I’m wrong, AT (and I know you will) but I think that you’re not necessarily upset that this particular election is going before a judge, but that this might become the norm. That anyone running in an election who loses will go whining about how it wasn’t fair, yadda yadda yadda. There needs to be some process in place to make sure that doesn’t happen.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1683 daco Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:48:51 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1683 Unless the current law is changed...good luck with that. Unless the current law is changed…good luck with that.

]]> By: Netmom http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1685 Netmom Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:54:58 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1685 There <i>does</i> seem to be a disturbing pattern: the presidential election in 2000, the 7th District Commission race in 2002, the Ophelia Ford special election in Memphis last year (which was overturned for dead people and felons voting), and now, this. I don't like do-overs, but I like uncertainty in the security of voting even less. Without the option for legal challenges, there would be nothing to prevent cheating, sculduggery, or outright incompetence from subverting the best-working democratic process in the world. There does seem to be a disturbing pattern: the presidential election in 2000, the 7th District Commission race in 2002, the Ophelia Ford special election in Memphis last year (which was overturned for dead people and felons voting), and now, this.

I don’t like do-overs, but I like uncertainty in the security of voting even less. Without the option for legal challenges, there would be nothing to prevent cheating, sculduggery, or outright incompetence from subverting the best-working democratic process in the world.

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1686 AT Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:26:19 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1686 Thank NM, for bringing that up. Perhaps that what I have been trying in a less than articulate way to bring up. Yes, its a good thing the legal recourse is there, damn, sucks that its being used so often. Thank NM, for bringing that up. Perhaps that what I have been trying in a less than articulate way to bring up.
Yes, its a good thing the legal recourse is there, damn, sucks that its being used so often.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1687 daco Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:07:27 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1687 I'm with you guys....that sculduggery should be nipped in the bud. I’m with you guys….that sculduggery should be nipped in the bud.

]]> By: AnotherAtomicCitizen http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1721 AnotherAtomicCitizen Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:06:01 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/08/14/election-part-deux/#comment-1721 Stupid is as stupid does, whoever thought these machines would prevent voting mishaps was wrong. That is why judges have to put an end to the sculduggery. All elected officials are at risk when we vote, and all voters do count at times, look at the Shuey vs. Lee vote. Stupid is as stupid does, whoever thought these machines would prevent voting mishaps was wrong. That is why judges have to put an end to the sculduggery. All elected officials are at risk when we vote, and all voters do count at times, look at the Shuey vs. Lee vote.

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