Comments on: People still whining over this Stair swindle thing http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:15:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: AnotherAtomicCitizen http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2407 AnotherAtomicCitizen Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:49:56 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2407 He He He, Les Mis. Loaf of Bread LMAO. He He He, Les Mis. Loaf of Bread LMAO.

]]> By: Netmom http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2408 Netmom Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:00:18 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2408 But I haven't seen anything about bringing the hammer down on the "coverup" in the County Clerk's office (same result: theft + restitution = no prosecution + no publicity, at least until after the Trustee's office stuff was made public, and even then they didn't name the thief). The same thing happened with the Democratic Party, and it wasn't publicized until after the news broke about the Trustee's office. Patsy Stair did not go public with the incident, and she didn't report it. I agree that she should have, but since restitution was made and the employee was dismissed, I don't think Patsy's actions rise to the level of criminal. I've known her for many years, and she's one of the most conscientious and reliable people we've ever had in public office in Anderson County. So yes, I disagreed with Esposito's editorial, although he's certainly entitled to his opinion, as you are. That said, I hope that the offending granddaughter has enough of a conscience to understand the horrible wrong that she committed, not only against the public, but against her own grandmother. I hope that it troubles her deeply, and that she knows that there <i>is no restitution</i> for the damage she did to Patsy's previously-impeccable reputation. But I haven’t seen anything about bringing the hammer down on the “coverup” in the County Clerk’s office (same result: theft + restitution = no prosecution + no publicity, at least until after the Trustee’s office stuff was made public, and even then they didn’t name the thief). The same thing happened with the Democratic Party, and it wasn’t publicized until after the news broke about the Trustee’s office.

Patsy Stair did not go public with the incident, and she didn’t report it. I agree that she should have, but since restitution was made and the employee was dismissed, I don’t think Patsy’s actions rise to the level of criminal. I’ve known her for many years, and she’s one of the most conscientious and reliable people we’ve ever had in public office in Anderson County.

So yes, I disagreed with Esposito’s editorial, although he’s certainly entitled to his opinion, as you are. That said, I hope that the offending granddaughter has enough of a conscience to understand the horrible wrong that she committed, not only against the public, but against her own grandmother. I hope that it troubles her deeply, and that she knows that there is no restitution for the damage she did to Patsy’s previously-impeccable reputation.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2412 Atomictumor Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:16:35 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2412 NM, it sure appears to the unbiased outside observer that she went public only after her boy lost the election. They say bad things happen to good people, and that may certainly be true, but man, this is inexcusable. The Democrat thing, to me, is in a different league, as that isn't public money. To that end, I'm not getting worked up over it, because a) I'm not a democrat b) I didn't give them money c) They weren't going to use it on anything that has something to do with me and my people So, thats a matter for the police/democrats. However, I'm either having a brain dead moment, or I totally missed this happening in the clerks office. Hell yes, smite them with the hammer of "don't mess with my money" justice. NM, it sure appears to the unbiased outside observer that she went public only after her boy lost the election. They say bad things happen to good people, and that may certainly be true, but man, this is inexcusable.
The Democrat thing, to me, is in a different league, as that isn’t public money. To that end, I’m not getting worked up over it, because
a) I’m not a democrat
b) I didn’t give them money
c) They weren’t going to use it on anything that has something to do with me and my people
So, thats a matter for the police/democrats.

However, I’m either having a brain dead moment, or I totally missed this happening in the clerks office. Hell yes, smite them with the hammer of “don’t mess with my money” justice.

]]> By: AnotherAtomicCitizen http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2413 AnotherAtomicCitizen Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:23:10 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2413 Netmom, the granddaughter has a problem that seems to be problematic for her. But to flip to the opposite side of the coin, is it fair to blame the parent? You are absolutely correct in blaming the one person doing the evil deed. I feel as many others do, nepotism should not be in government, yet this particular office's criminal actions should not lie on the parent. They did all they can, and it must have been difficult to run their campaign with that. I feel it again, a heavy train of lacking parents coming down the tracks. Netmom, the granddaughter has a problem that seems to be problematic for her. But to flip to the opposite side of the coin, is it fair to blame the parent?

You are absolutely correct in blaming the one person doing the evil deed. I feel as many others do, nepotism should not be in government, yet this particular office’s criminal actions should not lie on the parent. They did all they can, and it must have been difficult to run their campaign with that.

I feel it again, a heavy train of lacking parents coming down the tracks.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2420 Atomictumor Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:07:56 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2420 Did this girls parents have something to do with it? I thought it was all between Patsy and grandkid? Did this girls parents have something to do with it? I thought it was all between Patsy and grandkid?

]]> By: AnotherAtomicCitizen http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2423 AnotherAtomicCitizen Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:32:06 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2423 The unraveling has led me to believe more than Patsy knew about it. I was just wondering if nepotism and criminal activity could lead to the fault of the parents. Also, these people were grown ups. I believe I have failed in getting my point across when I ask my child to do something but nothing was done. Nepotism makes strange family stories. Though my family is not a government office, we here in the AC family have our offices and matters to take care of. I am only concerned that the wrong doer gets the punishment and not innocent family members. I can't help to think of all the parents I've heard say "My child is a good child." Now we throw in Nepotism, what is the final count of who was criminal and who wasn't? The unraveling has led me to believe more than Patsy knew about it. I was just wondering if nepotism and criminal activity could lead to the fault of the parents. Also, these people were grown ups. I believe I have failed in getting my point across when I ask my child to do something but nothing was done.

Nepotism makes strange family stories. Though my family is not a government office, we here in the AC family have our offices and matters to take care of. I am only concerned that the wrong doer gets the punishment and not innocent family members. I can’t help to think of all the parents I’ve heard say “My child is a good child.” Now we throw in Nepotism, what is the final count of who was criminal and who wasn’t?

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2426 AT Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:41:16 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2426 I dunno, to me nepotism is a whole other ballgame. It might suck, but I don't think I'm calling it here. My beef is the coverup, which widely implicates the former trustee. I don't think her kids had much to do with it, tho. Raising a druggie, but that happens to the best of parents these days. I dunno, to me nepotism is a whole other ballgame. It might suck, but I don’t think I’m calling it here.
My beef is the coverup, which widely implicates the former trustee. I don’t think her kids had much to do with it, tho. Raising a druggie, but that happens to the best of parents these days.

]]> By: Anotherthing2 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2427 Anotherthing2 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:33:54 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2427 Well I might agree that the cover up was baffling and I'm not happy about the way this came down but I have to say that the same case could be made against the County Clerk and probably for the same motives. In the County Clerk's case this happened well before the election but the voters didn't heard of it until after the problems with the trustee's office became public and after the election. Neither served the public trust but like Netmom I haven't see editorials lambasting his actions or calls for his resignation. Personally I see no difference between their actions of attempting to hide "bad news" from the voters during an election season. Pasty is out of office, the County Clerk is still in office but does he have any integrity left when we know he chooses to hide things from the voters. What else may he be hiding from the voters and will we ever know? Personally I think he should resign but I know that won't happen. But then it goes back to integrity and ethics of our local politicians and how little they seem to have of either. Well I might agree that the cover up was baffling and I’m not happy about the way this came down but I have to say that the same case could be made against the County Clerk and probably for the same motives. In the County Clerk’s case this happened well before the election but the voters didn’t heard of it until after the problems with the trustee’s office became public and after the election.

Neither served the public trust but like Netmom I haven’t see editorials lambasting his actions or calls for his resignation. Personally I see no difference between their actions of attempting to hide “bad news” from the voters during an election season. Pasty is out of office, the County Clerk is still in office but does he have any integrity left when we know he chooses to hide things from the voters. What else may he be hiding from the voters and will we ever know? Personally I think he should resign but I know that won’t happen. But then it goes back to integrity and ethics of our local politicians and how little they seem to have of either.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2428 Atomictumor Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:00:43 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2428 I agree, I don't see a difference between this and the county clerk case, but I still don't know exactly what you guys are talking about... got a link? Wait, he's still in office? What what? I agree, I don’t see a difference between this and the county clerk case, but I still don’t know exactly what you guys are talking about… got a link?

Wait, he’s still in office? What what?

]]> By: Anotherthing2 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2429 Anotherthing2 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:41:16 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2429 I'll find something and either post on it or comment tonight. Most of the links are behind pay per view by now. I’ll find something and either post on it or comment tonight. Most of the links are behind pay per view by now.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2430 Atomictumor Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:59:06 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2430 Yeah, if I wasn't lazy I'd find stuff. Yeah, if I wasn’t lazy I’d find stuff.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2432 Atomictumor Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:04:19 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2432 OK, I'm back. According to <a href="http://www.oakridger.com/stories/090106/new_89629390.shtml" rel="nofollow">this</a> theres not even a comparison. In Coles case, it wasn't a family member, and there was no coverup. Yes, the employee should be nailed, but theres no evidence that Cole did the wrong thing. Frankly I'm suprised at you two, Netmom and AT2! Of all people, the two of you seem to be willing to look the other eye at this. If Stair had gone to the cops, like would be the *logical* thing for a politican of 30 odd years, there wouldn't be the editorials, and she'd have gotten the same treatment as Cole. You guys are playing favorites for a friend, which is (in a much lesser extent) the same thing you villify Lynch and co. for doing. OK, I’m back. According to this theres not even a comparison.
In Coles case, it wasn’t a family member, and there was no coverup. Yes, the employee should be nailed, but theres no evidence that Cole did the wrong thing.
Frankly I’m suprised at you two, Netmom and AT2! Of all people, the two of you seem to be willing to look the other eye at this. If Stair had gone to the cops, like would be the *logical* thing for a politican of 30 odd years, there wouldn’t be the editorials, and she’d have gotten the same treatment as Cole.
You guys are playing favorites for a friend, which is (in a much lesser extent) the same thing you villify Lynch and co. for doing.

]]> By: Anotherthing2 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2435 Anotherthing2 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:54:07 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2435 No. I am not defending Pasty's actions as they are indefensible. She should have handled the matter in an entirely different manner. I'm not complaining about any thing that is written or said about her actions. But were you aware of any theft in the County Clerk's office? Last year? This year? Or did you become aware of it recently when the problems at the trustee's office became known. So like most citizens this slipped under the radar as everyone was focusing on Patsy actions. So you think if she had gone to the cops we wouldn't have heard of this either and that makes it OK? Well I have a different take on it and believe that both of them should have come forward and made these incidents public. I see no difference in their actions when it came to trying to hide it from the public. No. I am not defending Pasty’s actions as they are indefensible. She should have handled the matter in an entirely different manner. I’m not complaining about any thing that is written or said about her actions.

But were you aware of any theft in the County Clerk’s office? Last year? This year? Or did you become aware of it recently when the problems at the trustee’s office became known. So like most citizens this slipped under the radar as everyone was focusing on Patsy actions. So you think if she had gone to the cops we wouldn’t have heard of this either and that makes it OK?

Well I have a different take on it and believe that both of them should have come forward and made these incidents public. I see no difference in their actions when it came to trying to hide it from the public.

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2445 AT Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:13:28 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2445 But from all appearances, Cole's thing was public. I can't find anything at the Oak Ridge about it, but seeing as how he took it to the 5-0, that would do the trick. But from all appearances, Cole’s thing was public. I can’t find anything at the Oak Ridge about it, but seeing as how he took it to the 5-0, that would do the trick.

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2454 GoldenAppleCorp Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:27:52 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2454 Stealing is stealing, but $1700 is not $20,000. And it wasn't covered up. By a grandmother. Who is, in some way, in charge of her grandaughter at work. The clerk thing sucks, sure. But he reported it to the cops and fired the embezzler immediate. Stair tried to cover things up and I don't believe her grandaughter was fired immediately. I'm not into fact-checking all of that right now. A serious head cold has my thoughts all sloshy. Stealing is stealing, but $1700 is not $20,000. And it wasn’t covered up. By a grandmother. Who is, in some way, in charge of her grandaughter at work.
The clerk thing sucks, sure. But he reported it to the cops and fired the embezzler immediate. Stair tried to cover things up and I don’t believe her grandaughter was fired immediately.
I’m not into fact-checking all of that right now. A serious head cold has my thoughts all sloshy.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2455 Joel Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:48:26 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2455 "Frankly I’m suprised at you two, Netmom and AT2!" Well, I don't know about AT2, but I'm not surprised about Netmom. As the former chair of the Republicant Party in Anderson Co., she has that keen ability to see the mote in the Democrat eye while overlooking the beam in the eye of the Republican (Matt 7:3, paraphrased). Netmom is often an acute observer of other's behavior, but when partisan opportunity rears it's head, she reverts to type. Pity. I do so admire her blog and believe that OR is lucky to have her on the school board. “Frankly I’m suprised at you two, Netmom and AT2!”

Well, I don’t know about AT2, but I’m not surprised about Netmom. As the former chair of the Republicant Party in Anderson Co., she has that keen ability to see the mote in the Democrat eye while overlooking the beam in the eye of the Republican (Matt 7:3, paraphrased). Netmom is often an acute observer of other’s behavior, but when partisan opportunity rears it’s head, she reverts to type. Pity. I do so admire her blog and believe that OR is lucky to have her on the school board.

]]> By: Netmom http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2457 Netmom Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:17:41 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2457 Joel, you read me wrong, although you do have your facts correct about my previous involvement in the Republican Party. Emphasis on <i>previous</i>. Layton is a Republican too... but I haven't cut him any slack. Massengill is running for State Rep. as a Republican, but you've seen me publicly praise his Democrat opponent, Jim Hackworth. So, please don't label me a blind partisan, particularly where the people are local and I know them. Patsy was wrong to not report the theft to the authorities, but "wrong" in this case means guilty of bad judgement, not a criminal offense (to the best of my knowledge). And, for what it's worth, Jackie Holloway is someone I've always gotten along very well with... it pains me to see her in the news in this manner as well. If she's guilty, so be it, but it is difficult to see otherwise honorable careers end in this manner. Joel, you read me wrong, although you do have your facts correct about my previous involvement in the Republican Party. Emphasis on previous. Layton is a Republican too… but I haven’t cut him any slack. Massengill is running for State Rep. as a Republican, but you’ve seen me publicly praise his Democrat opponent, Jim Hackworth.

So, please don’t label me a blind partisan, particularly where the people are local and I know them.

Patsy was wrong to not report the theft to the authorities, but “wrong” in this case means guilty of bad judgement, not a criminal offense (to the best of my knowledge).

And, for what it’s worth, Jackie Holloway is someone I’ve always gotten along very well with… it pains me to see her in the news in this manner as well. If she’s guilty, so be it, but it is difficult to see otherwise honorable careers end in this manner.

]]> By: AnotherAtomicCitizen http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2458 AnotherAtomicCitizen Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:54:29 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2458 It's not netmom's party, it's her knowledge of Patsy. I've heard a lot of good things about Patsy from Anderson County builders. I do not know anything about Patsy's daughter, but my question of do you blame the parent is mangled by nepotism in this case. DA Dave Clark should put this one to rest. It’s not netmom’s party, it’s her knowledge of Patsy. I’ve heard a lot of good things about Patsy from Anderson County builders. I do not know anything about Patsy’s daughter, but my question of do you blame the parent is mangled by nepotism in this case. DA Dave Clark should put this one to rest.

]]> By: Atomic Citizen http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2459 Atomic Citizen Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:19:38 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2459 I'm with AT2 and GoldenAppleCorps on this one. GAC expressed it exactly how I feel. And AT2 is right, the keeping it secret part, thats where it makes them look more guilty. I think the nepotism combined with the election is the reason the Stairs kept it hush hush. Maybe if it wasn't around the election Patsy would have handled it differently. I don't know about Cole did he keep it hidden? I thought he reported it as soon as he found out? I’m with AT2 and GoldenAppleCorps on this one. GAC expressed it exactly how I feel. And AT2 is right, the keeping it secret part, thats where it makes them look more guilty. I think the nepotism combined with the election is the reason the Stairs kept it hush hush. Maybe if it wasn’t around the election Patsy would have handled it differently. I don’t know about Cole did he keep it hidden? I thought he reported it as soon as he found out?

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2478 GoldenAppleCorp Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:56:58 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2478 <i>"Patsy was wrong to not report the theft to the authorities, but “wrong” in this case means guilty of bad judgement, not a criminal offense (to the best of my knowledge)."</i> Wouldn't that be accessory to a crime? “Patsy was wrong to not report the theft to the authorities, but “wrong” in this case means guilty of bad judgement, not a criminal offense (to the best of my knowledge).”

Wouldn’t that be accessory to a crime?

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2492 Atomictumor Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:17:30 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2492 Bingo. Bingo.

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2499 GoldenAppleCorp Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:51:36 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2499 And isn't there something along the lines of obstructing justice? Although I'm not fully aware of how that one works, so it might not be applicable. And isn’t there something along the lines of obstructing justice? Although I’m not fully aware of how that one works, so it might not be applicable.

]]> By: Atomic Citizen http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2512 Atomic Citizen Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:35:20 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2512 Did you hear about Tim Steelman in Morgan County? Got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. *allegedly* Seems like its tough to find trustworthy clerks. Don't know the full story and there isn't anything at the Oak Ridger. But it's on TV commercials. Did you hear about Tim Steelman in Morgan County? Got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. *allegedly* Seems like its tough to find trustworthy clerks. Don’t know the full story and there isn’t anything at the Oak Ridger. But it’s on TV commercials.

]]> By: Atomic Citizen http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2513 Atomic Citizen Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:47:58 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/12/people-still-whining-over-this-stair-swindle-thing/#comment-2513 I found a link http://www.roanecounty.com/articles/2006/09/13/news/news03.txt I found a link http://www.roanecounty.com/articles/2006/09/13/news/news03.txt

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