Comments on: Private Space vs. Public Space http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:48:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2758 daco Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:05:25 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2758 Far be it from me to ever intentionally agree with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, but I think that they got this one right. Far be it from me to ever intentionally agree with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, but I think that they got this one right.

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2759 AT Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:41:56 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2759 They probably didn't pay a late fee or something. Don't mess with librarians. They probably didn’t pay a late fee or something.
Don’t mess with librarians.

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2760 The Bosphorus Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:06:04 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2760 What harm did these worshipers do? The article relates that the court ruled on the kind of speech they expressed, not the effects of that speech. What exactly is the difference between their speech and that of another group like the Sierra Club which reportedly meets at that same library? I don't have a problem with my tax dollars supporting a public space that may be used by anybody. For example, I don't agree with PETA, but I'm not opposed to them meeting at the library and spreading their propaganda, so long as the effects of their speech isn't destructive, harmful, etc. What harm did these worshipers do? The article relates that the court ruled on the kind of speech they expressed, not the effects of that speech. What exactly is the difference between their speech and that of another group like the Sierra Club which reportedly meets at that same library?

I don’t have a problem with my tax dollars supporting a public space that may be used by anybody. For example, I don’t agree with PETA, but I’m not opposed to them meeting at the library and spreading their propaganda, so long as the effects of their speech isn’t destructive, harmful, etc.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2761 Joel Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:10:37 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2761 Well, bos, there is the small matter of the US Constitution. It speaks quite clearly about the separation of church and state. About the Sierra Club and state, not so much. The world history of entanglement between religion and state is a long and mostly sordid one. The founding fathers developed an allergy to this conflation, and enshrined their aversions in the document that frames our laws. Call me conservative, but I think both religion and the state are better served when they are kept as far apart as possible. Well, bos, there is the small matter of the US Constitution. It speaks quite clearly about the separation of church and state. About the Sierra Club and state, not so much.

The world history of entanglement between religion and state is a long and mostly sordid one. The founding fathers developed an allergy to this conflation, and enshrined their aversions in the document that frames our laws. Call me conservative, but I think both religion and the state are better served when they are kept as far apart as possible.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2762 Atomictumor Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:25:56 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2762 I dunno Joel, I think the purely secular thing to do would be to treat this group, while it is religious, just like any other group of people. As long as they're not converting library patrons or trying to get treatment the sierra club doesn't get, and as long as I can go in there and book the room for a subgenius devival or something, then I say do it. I dunno Joel, I think the purely secular thing to do would be to treat this group, while it is religious, just like any other group of people. As long as they’re not converting library patrons or trying to get treatment the sierra club doesn’t get, and as long as I can go in there and book the room for a subgenius devival or something, then I say do it.

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2763 GoldenAppleCorp Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:34:13 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2763 This is the part of the article that comes closest to explaining it, as I see it: <i>"But Deputy County Counsel Kelly Flanagan said the county was concerned that allowing prayer services in a public building would amount to an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion."</i> Does any organization that walks in the library door automatically have a right to use the property? Is the library not at their own discretion as to who to loan out the space to? How do the public meeting rooms at your library work, Bos? This is the part of the article that comes closest to explaining it, as I see it:
“But Deputy County Counsel Kelly Flanagan said the county was concerned that allowing prayer services in a public building would amount to an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion.”
Does any organization that walks in the library door automatically have a right to use the property? Is the library not at their own discretion as to who to loan out the space to?
How do the public meeting rooms at your library work, Bos?

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2765 Joel Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:44:21 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2765 Well, lets see. Then putting up a plaque with the 10 commandments in a courtroom is no different than, say, putting up a portrate of the governor? Reading the Lord's Prayer over the PA system before a public high school football game is no different than, say, playing the Star Spangled Banner? Well, lets see. Then putting up a plaque with the 10 commandments in a courtroom is no different than, say, putting up a portrate of the governor? Reading the Lord’s Prayer over the PA system before a public high school football game is no different than, say, playing the Star Spangled Banner?

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2766 Atomictumor Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:00:20 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2766 I fail to see the correlation between your points, Joel, other than the fact that they're all loosely associated with religion and goverment. This line of thought, taken to a logical conclusion, ends up with federal employees working Christmas. Theres a logical line in the sand between being secular, and being atheistic. Religious dogma being displayed in courthouses, schools, and post offices implies that the .gov has chosen one side over the other (unless they adorn the place with symbols of every possible religion, which is silly, because some of the tribal dieties are represented by elephant bones and stuff, and thats hard to come by). Allowing a religious group to quietly meet in a closed meeting room is something else. As long as they're not setting fires, bugging people, making undue noise, etc, its no differnt than an elks club meeting. I fail to see the correlation between your points, Joel, other than the fact that they’re all loosely associated with religion and goverment. This line of thought, taken to a logical conclusion, ends up with federal employees working Christmas. Theres a logical line in the sand between being secular, and being atheistic.
Religious dogma being displayed in courthouses, schools, and post offices implies that the .gov has chosen one side over the other (unless they adorn the place with symbols of every possible religion, which is silly, because some of the tribal dieties are represented by elephant bones and stuff, and thats hard to come by).
Allowing a religious group to quietly meet in a closed meeting room is something else. As long as they’re not setting fires, bugging people, making undue noise, etc, its no differnt than an elks club meeting.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2768 Joel Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:09:53 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2768 "This line of thought, taken to a logical conclusion, ends up with federal employees working Christmas." I frankly don't have any problem with eliminating the federal celebration of Christmas. "Theres a logical line in the sand between being secular, and being atheistic." Indeed. Could you point out that line? Or is this a line only true believers can see? "Allowing a religious group to quietly meet in a closed meeting room is something else." I don't agree. If a religious group wants to hold a meeting, that's one thing. But that's not what the article says. It says they were conducting a religious service. I don't think my tax money should be spent providing part-time church facilities to religions. I think we ought to privatize religion. “This line of thought, taken to a logical conclusion, ends up with federal employees working Christmas.”

I frankly don’t have any problem with eliminating the federal celebration of Christmas.

“Theres a logical line in the sand between being secular, and being atheistic.”

Indeed. Could you point out that line? Or is this a line only true believers can see?

“Allowing a religious group to quietly meet in a closed meeting room is something else.”

I don’t agree. If a religious group wants to hold a meeting, that’s one thing. But that’s not what the article says. It says they were conducting a religious service. I don’t think my tax money should be spent providing part-time church facilities to religions. I think we ought to privatize religion.

]]> By: Bos http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2770 Bos Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:39:19 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2770 AT, GAC you all are catching my drift here. This isn't a question of government sanctioning of a religion. Tax dollars in this case are spent on a <i>public</i> meeting space. Who's the gov to say what those people can and cannot do so long as the public isn't endangered or inconvenience in some exceptional way. I'm the person at my lib who's responsible for scheduling the meeting room. This seems to be a library policy issue that's gotten screwed up. To the best of my memory, KCPLS would charge these folks a rental fee. I don't have the policy in front of me, so I'm not speaking in any official manner here. So, Joel. What's the difference between a "religious service" and a "religious meeting"? AT, GAC you all are catching my drift here. This isn’t a question of government sanctioning of a religion. Tax dollars in this case are spent on a public meeting space. Who’s the gov to say what those people can and cannot do so long as the public isn’t endangered or inconvenience in some exceptional way.

I’m the person at my lib who’s responsible for scheduling the meeting room. This seems to be a library policy issue that’s gotten screwed up. To the best of my memory, KCPLS would charge these folks a rental fee. I don’t have the policy in front of me, so I’m not speaking in any official manner here.

So, Joel. What’s the difference between a “religious service” and a “religious meeting”?

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2772 AT Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:52:45 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2772 Pick and choose them arguments, chief. Point of the conversation, if I may steer it back in that direction before I discuss the little Joel jabs here, is that a meeting room, in a public library, is considered off limits to public citizens. With my agnosti-vision turned on, I don't see a difference between a meeting (say, a self help group) and a religious meeting. Hellfire man, I bet they'd let AA meet there, and its damn near the same thing. Now, you're preaching to the choir with regards to privatizing religion, property taxes on churches, etc, rock on. I'm willing to play devils advocate, because I do enjoy that, but it'd be hard for me to argue against it seriously. Regarding the line, seems to me that posting dogma in a courthouse is .gov actively promoting a religion. Not stopping religious peeps from meeting is passively ignoring religion. Pick and choose them arguments, chief. Point of the conversation, if I may steer it back in that direction before I discuss the little Joel jabs here, is that a meeting room, in a public library, is considered off limits to public citizens.
With my agnosti-vision turned on, I don’t see a difference between a meeting (say, a self help group) and a religious meeting. Hellfire man, I bet they’d let AA meet there, and its damn near the same thing.
Now, you’re preaching to the choir with regards to privatizing religion, property taxes on churches, etc, rock on. I’m willing to play devils advocate, because I do enjoy that, but it’d be hard for me to argue against it seriously.

Regarding the line, seems to me that posting dogma in a courthouse is .gov actively promoting a religion. Not stopping religious peeps from meeting is passively ignoring religion.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2776 Joel Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:39:11 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2776 "So, Joel. What’s the difference between a “religious service” and a “religious meeting”?" I don't know that there is a difference. I wouldn't have said there was one. I was making a distinction between a meeting held by a religious group as distinct from a worship service held by a religious group. For example, when I was in the CYO, we might agree to meet down at the civic center to shoot a little pool. That was and should be allowed. Had we decided to hold mass there, that shouldn't have been allowed. It wasn't an experiment we tried, so I can't be sure, but I suspect that it wouldn't have been allowed then. "Regarding the line, seems to me that posting dogma in a courthouse is .gov actively promoting a religion. Not stopping religious peeps from meeting is passively ignoring religion." What about if somebody posts their own copy of the 10 commandments in a courthouse? Would it be passively ignoring religion to just leave it there? “So, Joel. What’s the difference between a “religious service” and a “religious meeting”?”

I don’t know that there is a difference. I wouldn’t have said there was one. I was making a distinction between a meeting held by a religious group as distinct from a worship service held by a religious group. For example, when I was in the CYO, we might agree to meet down at the civic center to shoot a little pool. That was and should be allowed. Had we decided to hold mass there, that shouldn’t have been allowed. It wasn’t an experiment we tried, so I can’t be sure, but I suspect that it wouldn’t have been allowed then.

“Regarding the line, seems to me that posting dogma in a courthouse is .gov actively promoting a religion. Not stopping religious peeps from meeting is passively ignoring religion.”

What about if somebody posts their own copy of the 10 commandments in a courthouse? Would it be passively ignoring religion to just leave it there?

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2777 The Bosphorus Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:43:45 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2777 AT, you lost me. "Pick and choose them arguments," what do you mean? AT, you lost me. “Pick and choose them arguments,” what do you mean?

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2779 Atomictumor Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:51:31 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2779 Bos, you got caught in the crossfire of me taking 20 minutes to type a post (its busy at work). I didn't see your response pop in. Consider it payback for dropping a post 2 minutes after mine this morning! I think arguing the difference between a religious service, and religious meeting is moot. Its a gathering of people for some purpose or another. I agree with Bos, and don't think its his place to break up a peaceful gathering of people, unless they're breaking some sort of ordinance. Joel, you tell me, what if somebody posts their copy of the big 10 in a courthouse? I'd say it'd be same thing that'd happen if I posted an ad for the 'tumor in the courthouse, it'd get thrown away. Bos, you got caught in the crossfire of me taking 20 minutes to type a post (its busy at work). I didn’t see your response pop in. Consider it payback for dropping a post 2 minutes after mine this morning!

I think arguing the difference between a religious service, and religious meeting is moot. Its a gathering of people for some purpose or another. I agree with Bos, and don’t think its his place to break up a peaceful gathering of people, unless they’re breaking some sort of ordinance.

Joel, you tell me, what if somebody posts their copy of the big 10 in a courthouse?

I’d say it’d be same thing that’d happen if I posted an ad for the ‘tumor in the courthouse, it’d get thrown away.

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2783 The Bosphorus Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:18:28 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2783 AT, didn't realize you'd just published yours when I sent mine up. AT, didn’t realize you’d just published yours when I sent mine up.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2784 Joel Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:25:23 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2784 "I’d say it’d be same thing that’d happen if I posted an ad for the ‘tumor in the courthouse, it’d get thrown away." Heh. I'd say that depends on which courthouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore “I’d say it’d be same thing that’d happen if I posted an ad for the ‘tumor in the courthouse, it’d get thrown away.”

Heh. I’d say that depends on which courthouse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2788 daco Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:58:56 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2788 “So, Joel. What’s the difference between a “religious service” and a “religious meeting”?” I've certainly been to a bunch of both. A religious service is much louder than a religious meeting. “So, Joel. What’s the difference between a “religious service” and a “religious meeting”?”

I’ve certainly been to a bunch of both. A religious service is much louder than a religious meeting.

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2789 AT Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:50:04 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2789 Yeah, Joel, I remember ol Roy. But, he's one extreme example, and if I recall, (without looking at the page), he was censured by the Alabama legal whatnots because of his extreme case. He was trying to get elected, simple as that. I oughta sneak subliminal AT ads in the AC courthouse... Yeah, Joel, I remember ol Roy. But, he’s one extreme example, and if I recall, (without looking at the page), he was censured by the Alabama legal whatnots because of his extreme case. He was trying to get elected, simple as that.

I oughta sneak subliminal AT ads in the AC courthouse…

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2791 Joel Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:57:01 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2791 He has *lots* of supporters, AT. I, for one, am not complacent about the fascist tendencies of my fellow Americans. Maybe its an old fart thing. Maybe it's the Jewish heritage. But I like the separation of church and state. I just do. He has *lots* of supporters, AT. I, for one, am not complacent about the fascist tendencies of my fellow Americans. Maybe its an old fart thing. Maybe it’s the Jewish heritage. But I like the separation of church and state. I just do.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2793 daco Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:14:53 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2793 My problem with the situation is not that the library is the "state." My problem is that I understand the difference between a religious meeting and a worship service. A religious meeting can and should(IMO) be a pretty tame event. A worship service is an opportunity for folks to cut loose and PRAISE THE LORD. Loudy. Folks in a library shouldn't have to put up with that. In exactly the same way that I would appreciate the local library not invite a gay pride parade to march through the stacks while I'm there. Shhhh. My problem with the situation is not that the library is the “state.” My problem is that I understand the difference between a religious meeting and a worship service. A religious meeting can and should(IMO) be a pretty tame event. A worship service is an opportunity for folks to cut loose and PRAISE THE LORD. Loudy. Folks in a library shouldn’t have to put up with that. In exactly the same way that I would appreciate the local library not invite a gay pride parade to march through the stacks while I’m there. Shhhh.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2795 Joel Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:23:56 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2795 You've obviously not been to a synagogue. Or a mass. Or a friends meeting. Or a Unitarian service. Or a Mormon temple. Or a Russian Orthodox church service. You’ve obviously not been to a synagogue. Or a mass. Or a friends meeting. Or a Unitarian service. Or a Mormon temple. Or a Russian Orthodox church service.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2796 daco Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:27:47 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2796 ...and the point? …and the point?

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2797 Joel Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:40:59 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2797 Well, daco, I'll type this slowly. You posted: "A worship service is an opportunity for folks to cut loose and PRAISE THE LORD. Loudy" I posted a list of houses of worship in which worship services occur. I've been to many of these places, and know practitioners of the rest of these faiths. None of them are faiths in which folks "cut loose and PRAISE THE LORD. Loudy" None. I guess this point would be hard to grasp if one believed that fundamentalist Protestantism, in which noisy services are prized, is the faith of America. Well, daco, I’ll type this slowly.

You posted: “A worship service is an opportunity for folks to cut loose and PRAISE THE LORD. Loudy”

I posted a list of houses of worship in which worship services occur. I’ve been to many of these places, and know practitioners of the rest of these faiths. None of them are faiths in which folks “cut loose and PRAISE THE LORD. Loudy” None.

I guess this point would be hard to grasp if one believed that fundamentalist Protestantism, in which noisy services are prized, is the faith of America.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2798 daco Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:41:45 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2798 Sorry Joel if the implication is that the religious services that you mentioned are not loud...."Faith Center Church Evangelistic Ministries" really doesn't sound like a Jewish, Catholic, Quaker, Unitarian, Morman of Russian Orthodox group. Hell bubba they don't even sound Muslim. Sorry Joel if the implication is that the religious services that you mentioned are not loud….”Faith Center Church Evangelistic Ministries” really doesn’t sound like a Jewish, Catholic, Quaker, Unitarian, Morman of Russian Orthodox group. Hell bubba they don’t even sound Muslim.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2799 Joel Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:45:11 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2799 Ah, I get it. So in your lexicon "A worship service" is equivalent to ”Faith Center Church Evangelistic Ministries." Guess the rest of what those so-called religions call worship services fall somewhat short of the definition of "A worship service" in your mind. Ah, I get it. So in your lexicon “A worship service” is equivalent to ”Faith Center Church Evangelistic Ministries.” Guess the rest of what those so-called religions call worship services fall somewhat short of the definition of “A worship service” in your mind.

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2800 daco Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:48:16 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2800 Nice try Joel, but not even close. Nice try Joel, but not even close.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2801 Joel Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:53:22 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2801 And your point . . . And your point . . .

]]> By: daco http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2802 daco Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:57:45 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2802 Oh no point really. Just not going to be baited into one of your angry, bad day or too much wine, arguments. Oh no point really. Just not going to be baited into one of your angry, bad day or too much wine, arguments.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2803 Joel Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:01:52 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2803 "Oh no point really." I see. Can't argue with someone whose posts are pointless. “Oh no point really.”

I see.

Can’t argue with someone whose posts are pointless.

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2810 AT Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:42:10 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2810 Point goes to Daco - since this case is about ”Faith Center Church Evangelistic Ministries.”. Point goes to Daco - since this case is about ”Faith Center Church Evangelistic Ministries.”.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2812 Joel Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:30:05 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2812 It's your blog, AT. It’s your blog, AT.

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2814 AT Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:32:41 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2814 No way man, its 'our' blog. No way man, its ‘our’ blog.

]]> By: The Bosphorus http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2817 The Bosphorus Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:30:11 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/22/private-space-vs-public-space/#comment-2817 ...A rousing chorus of "The More We Get Together..." everybody. You know, Daco, that's a pretty good argument for no worship in the library. Now that's a slogan that cracks me up, "no worship in the Library". …A rousing chorus of “The More We Get Together…” everybody.

You know, Daco, that’s a pretty good argument for no worship in the library. Now that’s a slogan that cracks me up, “no worship in the Library”.

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