Comments on: Terrorists multiplying? In Iraq? http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:19:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2898 Joel Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:33:26 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2898 "Appease" is freighted with a historical meaning that is inappropriate here. In the sense used to describe Neville Chamberlain, it was allowing Hitler a certain amount of conquest. In this case, what you are calling "appeasement" is just ending our occupation of a country we invaded. Words are important. “Appease” is freighted with a historical meaning that is inappropriate here. In the sense used to describe Neville Chamberlain, it was allowing Hitler a certain amount of conquest. In this case, what you are calling “appeasement” is just ending our occupation of a country we invaded.

Words are important.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2899 Atomictumor Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:58:02 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2899 I don't think leaving the country would appease them, and I'm purposely not providing an answer as to what would. Furthermore, Joel, I'm not sure what you've been eating lately, but words are words. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word" rel="nofollow">Words: A word is a unit of language that carries meaning and consists of one or more morphemes which are linked more or less tightly together.</a> <a href="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/appease" rel="nofollow">Appease</a> 1 : to bring to a state of peace or quiet : CALM 2 : to cause to subside : ALLAY <appeased my hunger> 3 : PACIFY, CONCILIATE; especially : to buy off (an aggressor) by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles synonym see PACIFY If you choose to apply personal, historical, symbolization to words used in context that I don't, frankly, its your concern. I think anybody reading the post is going to understand exactly what I'm talking about. Furtherfurthermore, I don't see why you posted that. Is that pertaining to the context of what I was writing? Are you adding value, or an argument against what I was saying? If so, I missed it, because it was veiled by your rather unendearing tendancy of late to be pedantic. Lemme know. I don’t think leaving the country would appease them, and I’m purposely not providing an answer as to what would.
Furthermore, Joel, I’m not sure what you’ve been eating lately, but words are words.
Words:
A word is a unit of language that carries meaning and consists of one or more morphemes which are linked more or less tightly together.

Appease
1 : to bring to a state of peace or quiet : CALM
2 : to cause to subside : ALLAY
3 : PACIFY, CONCILIATE; especially : to buy off (an aggressor) by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles
synonym see PACIFY

If you choose to apply personal, historical, symbolization to words used in context that I don’t, frankly, its your concern. I think anybody reading the post is going to understand exactly what I’m talking about.
Furtherfurthermore, I don’t see why you posted that. Is that pertaining to the context of what I was writing? Are you adding value, or an argument against what I was saying? If so, I missed it, because it was veiled by your rather unendearing tendancy of late to be pedantic.
Lemme know.

]]> By: Netmom http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2905 Netmom Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:40:41 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2905 I do not think that appeasement is possible. At this point, the question of whether going into Iraq was right or wrong is moot; to withdraw before stabilizing the country would only make matters worse. The reason that terrorism is increasing in Iraq is because that's were Americans are (within easy reach). Should we withdraw, they would take their attacks to wherever we might be. I'm sure I'll get my lunch eaten for this one, but we're dealing with a people who were cursed back in Genesis when Abraham's bastard son Ishmael was born to Hagar, and I'm not at all sure that we have the ability to resolve the problem. Go ahead, before it gets cold. I do not think that appeasement is possible. At this point, the question of whether going into Iraq was right or wrong is moot; to withdraw before stabilizing the country would only make matters worse. The reason that terrorism is increasing in Iraq is because that’s were Americans are (within easy reach). Should we withdraw, they would take their attacks to wherever we might be.

I’m sure I’ll get my lunch eaten for this one, but we’re dealing with a people who were cursed back in Genesis when Abraham’s bastard son Ishmael was born to Hagar, and I’m not at all sure that we have the ability to resolve the problem.

Go ahead, before it gets cold.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2906 Joel Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:27:05 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2906 AT, all you need to do is read some of the conservative weblogs to know that I'm not being pedantic here. You can pretend that the word "appeasement" has no other connotation than what is found in the dictionary, but that won't change the fact that for most Americans who know their WWII history, this words is specifically and unavoidably linked to Neville Chamberlain. And likewise you are wonderfully naive about words in general. Ask any arab what Bush was talking about when he used the word "crusade" to describe the US adventure in the ME. He will not merely refer to the dictionary definition of the word. He will also refer to the butchery of Arabs practiced by European invaders during the middle ages. No good writer chooses his words in ignorance of all its connotations. WRT Iraq, matters are getting worse anyway. The reason that terrorism is increasing in Iraq is because Iraq is in a civil war with cycles of revenge killing. Should we withdraw, the attacks will stay in Iraq, because that's were the Iraqis are. AT, all you need to do is read some of the conservative weblogs to know that I’m not being pedantic here. You can pretend that the word “appeasement” has no other connotation than what is found in the dictionary, but that won’t change the fact that for most Americans who know their WWII history, this words is specifically and unavoidably linked to Neville Chamberlain.

And likewise you are wonderfully naive about words in general. Ask any arab what Bush was talking about when he used the word “crusade” to describe the US adventure in the ME. He will not merely refer to the dictionary definition of the word. He will also refer to the butchery of Arabs practiced by European invaders during the middle ages.

No good writer chooses his words in ignorance of all its connotations.

WRT Iraq, matters are getting worse anyway.

The reason that terrorism is increasing in Iraq is because Iraq is in a civil war with cycles of revenge killing. Should we withdraw, the attacks will stay in Iraq, because that’s were the Iraqis are.

]]> By: GoldenAppleCorp http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2907 GoldenAppleCorp Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:32:17 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2907 All this talk about stablizing the country... Where is it getting us? The longer we stay there, the more (according to this study) violence increases. So how is staying there longer going to decrease the violence if violence increases the longer we're there? Sounds cyclical to me. The longer we occupy the country and are made to look like (or are) the bad guy, the more impressionable kids over there come to hate us and devote themselves to fighting the white devils. We might have the most honorable intentions (however, I'm very doubtful of that) by being there, I don't think they understand those intentions. They have a completely different way of life than us, and as such, have different values and a different sense of honor. Even our good intentions are being spun in a way that makes them seem evil. And every time a shit-for-brains soldier on our side does something stupid like murdering innocent civilians, or posing with naked prisoners, it paints all our troops in that light and sets our stabilizing and peace-keeping mission back a few years. All this talk about stablizing the country… Where is it getting us? The longer we stay there, the more (according to this study) violence increases. So how is staying there longer going to decrease the violence if violence increases the longer we’re there?
Sounds cyclical to me. The longer we occupy the country and are made to look like (or are) the bad guy, the more impressionable kids over there come to hate us and devote themselves to fighting the white devils. We might have the most honorable intentions (however, I’m very doubtful of that) by being there, I don’t think they understand those intentions. They have a completely different way of life than us, and as such, have different values and a different sense of honor. Even our good intentions are being spun in a way that makes them seem evil.
And every time a shit-for-brains soldier on our side does something stupid like murdering innocent civilians, or posing with naked prisoners, it paints all our troops in that light and sets our stabilizing and peace-keeping mission back a few years.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2908 Joel Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:21 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2908 "And every time a shit-for-brains soldier on our side does something stupid . . . " Indeed. And this is an inevitable consequence of wars. It will certainly get worse with American troops, as the standards are being lowered, more shit-for-brains soldiers are being recruited: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?ex=1309924800&en=18e0e7dce2b8c8d3&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rs “And every time a shit-for-brains soldier on our side does something stupid . . . “

Indeed. And this is an inevitable consequence of wars. It will certainly get worse with American troops, as the standards are being lowered, more shit-for-brains soldiers are being recruited:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?ex=1309924800&en=18e0e7dce2b8c8d3&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rs

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2909 Atomictumor Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:02:48 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2909 Joel, you're so right about everything ever, and I humble myself to your transcendent and awesome semantic knowledge. If only I, in my petulant naivity could somehow penetrate this veil of strung together consonates, perhaps I would be worthy of the supreme honor of your praises. You made me cry a little in realizing that I, like Mongol, am just pawn in great game of life. More importantly, Netmom, while I dunno about the historical accuracy of curses (I do know a thing or two about bastard children), I tend to agree with the essence of what you're saying, in that its a wasps nest thats done been stirred up for the past 600 odd years. What I think would really kinda work is about two or three generations to themselves. While this may not fly in our global economy, particuarly with that texas tea underneath them, it seems like a societal time-out would give em time to either sort out their own problems however they may, or swallow their pride. Again, tho, thats a little impossible. I agree that an immediate pull out would probably be bad, but I don't really know that it'd be any worse than the continous presence of America. The place is going to go to hell quick as soon as we leave, and it'll take a few years for a strong enough leader to get up and take control. That leader will talk smack about America, I predict. Joel, you’re so right about everything ever, and I humble myself to your transcendent and awesome semantic knowledge. If only I, in my petulant naivity could somehow penetrate this veil of strung together consonates, perhaps I would be worthy of the supreme honor of your praises. You made me cry a little in realizing that I, like Mongol, am just pawn in great game of life.

More importantly, Netmom, while I dunno about the historical accuracy of curses (I do know a thing or two about bastard children), I tend to agree with the essence of what you’re saying, in that its a wasps nest thats done been stirred up for the past 600 odd years.
What I think would really kinda work is about two or three generations to themselves. While this may not fly in our global economy, particuarly with that texas tea underneath them, it seems like a societal time-out would give em time to either sort out their own problems however they may, or swallow their pride.
Again, tho, thats a little impossible. I agree that an immediate pull out would probably be bad, but I don’t really know that it’d be any worse than the continous presence of America. The place is going to go to hell quick as soon as we leave, and it’ll take a few years for a strong enough leader to get up and take control.
That leader will talk smack about America, I predict.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2910 Joel Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:12:52 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2910 Cute, AT. Cute, but not very clever, and rather beneath you, I think. Cute, AT. Cute, but not very clever, and rather beneath you, I think.

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2911 Atomictumor Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:32:24 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2911 I thought it was cute.... Edit: I also liked "transcendent and awesome semantic knowledge".  Come on.  When's the last time you were referred to thusly?  Clever indeed... I thought it was cute….

Edit:

I also liked “transcendent and awesome semantic knowledge”.  Come on.  When’s the last time you were referred to thusly? 

Clever indeed…

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2912 Joel Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:17:55 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2912 I'll give it points for erudition, too. I’ll give it points for erudition, too.

]]> By: meice http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2913 meice Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:30:50 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2913 It's really hard to know what really seperates us from "those people." For all I know the reason Iraq is a breeding ground is due to terrorists having litters of 6-9 pups and able to reproduce at a rate that makes rabbits take a step back and say is overkill. I was never a conspiracy theorist until Bush stole the election. It’s really hard to know what really seperates us from “those people.” For all I know the reason Iraq is a breeding ground is due to terrorists having litters of 6-9 pups and able to reproduce at a rate that makes rabbits take a step back and say is overkill.

I was never a conspiracy theorist until Bush stole the election.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2914 Joel Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:37:14 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2914 WRT whether we should stay or go in Iraq, it looks like a majority of Iraqis want us to leave: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html WRT whether we should stay or go in Iraq, it looks like a majority of Iraqis want us to leave:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html

]]> By: Atomictumor http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2915 Atomictumor Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:45:55 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2915 Joel, don't know if you've ever been there, but I've been reading <a href="http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">this</a> for a year or so now. As with most things, I can be skeptical as to its authenticity (although I've never seen anybody cast doubt on it), but at face value, its a blog kept by a very articulate young woman in Baghdad, which gives a great insight into the lives of people there. Joel, don’t know if you’ve ever been there, but I’ve been reading this for a year or so now. As with most things, I can be skeptical as to its authenticity (although I’ve never seen anybody cast doubt on it), but at face value, its a blog kept by a very articulate young woman in Baghdad, which gives a great insight into the lives of people there.

]]> By: meice http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2916 meice Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:54:17 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2916 Does the color of Kool-Aid matter? Does the color of Kool-Aid matter?

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2917 Joel Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:04:38 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2917 AT, I'm familiar with riverbend, but rarely stop by there. She is sometimes quoted by some blogs that I do read regularly. AT, I’m familiar with riverbend, but rarely stop by there. She is sometimes quoted by some blogs that I do read regularly.

]]> By: AT http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2918 AT Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:14:14 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2918 Meice, I guess not, but the purple is tastier. Joel, everytime that website goes a few months (as it has now) without an update, I wonder whats happening. And I try to avoid Anne Frank references. Meice, I guess not, but the purple is tastier.

Joel, everytime that website goes a few months (as it has now) without an update, I wonder whats happening. And I try to avoid Anne Frank references.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2919 Joel Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:23:16 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2919 Gotta be tough blogging from a war zone. Gotta be tough blogging from a war zone.

]]> By: Joel http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2922 Joel Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:33:42 +0000 http://www.atomictumor.com/2006/09/27/terrorists-multiplying-in-iraq/#comment-2922 While you're waiting for riverbend, AT, you should be checking out "Informed Comment": http://www.juancole.com/ He doesn't do Old Testament Hebrew scriptural interpretations of current events , but he's fluent in Arabic and Farsi. While you’re waiting for riverbend, AT, you should be checking out “Informed Comment”:

http://www.juancole.com/

He doesn’t do Old Testament Hebrew scriptural interpretations of current events , but he’s fluent in Arabic and Farsi.

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