Hagglin’ Time!!!

January 6th, 2007 by Atomictumor

Oh boy.

Its hagglin’ time!

I took the boys down to spend the night with BJ’s folks tonight around noon today, and I was intending to test drive some cars. I was a little apprehensive about the idea, because once you start test driving a car, you’ve moved between that anonymous ‘looking’ phase, and into the more intensive “They got your name and know what you look like” phase. Once you step foot in there and shake the fella’s hand, the game is on. They’re homed in on you.

Blood in the water…

I’d done a lot of research, and as I mentioned a few days ago, was eying the Mazda3. It looks good on paper, maybe not quite as good, mechanically speaking, as the Hondi, but still a ‘best buy’. It had panache, though that the Honda lacked, and you can’t put a price on panache. Or so I hear…

Problem is, looking at something on paper, and getting the the car are two different beasts.

I’ll still be a bit of time before I get BJ’s weregild, probably another week or two, so I wanted to put my feet in the water and test it out. I know my battle plan, I’m not going to sit in their little office, I’m going to drive some freakin cars.

Oh yes.

I had been in email contact with a few people at a few dealerships, and went to one on Kingston Pike, simply because the guy I emailed was more helpful (incidentally, its about damn time that car lots wizened up to Al Gore’s Internet, and got a bit more accessible that way). I had debated for several hours this morning with the wisdom of going out there before I have the cash, but I figured it’d help curb my impulsive side, since I don’t have BJ around to hose me down when I get excited. I finally confirmed an appointment with the dude, and made my way out there.

I dropped the kids off, who didn’t want to come (Pigpen being enticed by the call of ‘Dinosaur Planet’ and ‘The Wonder Pets’, and MastaG having better things to do) and took BJ’s dad with me as a wingman. When we showed up, we were early, so we peeked in the RX-8, which is a magnificent beast. The dude showed up after a bit, and we looked at some cars.

I’m still gung ho on the stick, but they didn’t have a lot to choose from. My idea is to get a used one costing around 15 grand, but if I had my druthers (they’re around here somewhere) I’d get the sport package, adding an extra .3 liters of engine, and a little bit more pimp. A/C is important, but only because the kids bitch if its not on (I prefer having the windows down, so I also wanted to make sure the window air flow was appropriate). Need to see about switching off the front passenger air bag, so MastaG can sit up front.

Allow me to digress for a moment. I hear people out there “AT, a child should be in the back seat until they’re fully grown”.

Bollocks.

When I was a lad, sitting in the front seat was a rite of passage. It meant that you were the co-pilot. The vast scenery of the American highway system was around you, and you had a front row seat. You had radio control, and legroom.

Risky? Perhaps, but no more so than in 1980. And, knocking firmly on wood (knock knock) I have a… ahem… good driving record. The only two incidents I ever caused were:

  1. When I was 16, driving the family minivan down Signal Mountain coming from church, I pulled out in front of a dilapidated 70’s Celebrity. Busted the hell out of the van, big ol’ dent on the driver side hindquarter. I evaded trouble, however, when it was determined that the other guy had a warrant for his arrest, or didn’t have a license, or something that let me slink away.
  2. When driving back from an anniversary vacation in Asheville, I pulled (like a dumbass) into the wrong side of the parking lot at the McDonalds, and scraped a car. I swear, on a stack of your favorite holy book, that I did not scratch the metal, I scuffed it, and that there were dents on her car lower than the bumper on our wagon. Our insurance picked up the tab, and I got in trouble (big time) with BJ, who was sitting right there telling me we were going in through the out door…

End digression.

OK, so I was still trying to stick to the original plan with desires in buying a car, so lets fly through the list:

  • Manual Transmission: Again: for reals, no deals.
  • Pizazz: I dig the car. The interior is very nice looking, its as small as I’ll accept, but it has personality. Personality goes a long way.
  • Low Mileage: Totally. I’d prefer under 20,000.
  • Not domestic: Not as married to this, but there aren’t many domestic cars that fit point one and two above.
  • Not Japanese: Whatever. I’m over that one.
  • 3 fairly largish sized bodies: If one of em can sit up front, it shouldn’t be a problem. I just need to be careful not to have a baby. Eaves, Jen, I’m watching you…
  • Good gas mileage: This is a biggie. The Mazda stick gets 27 according to the .gov, and 30 according to Consumer Reports, average.
  • Kinda eyeing used, but the cost between new and used cars are almost the same, from what I’ve seen shopping around.

We peek in some windows, and talk to the guy, who points us to some new 3s, that have a rebate on em bringing them down to $13,690, which ain’t bad. They’re sticks, they have AC, they’re the basic 2.0 liter engine instead of the balls up 2.3, but they’re all 5 speeds. Manual door locks and windows, though. I can live with that, my auto opener for the van didn’t work, so I got along fine without one (I inherited BJ’s, which admittedly has been handy), and the Volvo doesn’t even lock on the passenger side. Both vehicles have power windows, which is handy. Still, manual locks and windows, while a bit backwards in this day and age, are not a dealbreaker.

We loaded up in a black sedan model, and took off, and I wasn’t completely impressed. It was quick, a hell of a lot quicker than the ol Volvo when you hit the gas, but the Volvo has that turbo punch, and I got the feeling that it won out overall. The road noise in the thing was pretty darn loud, and I wasn’t in love with the sight lines. It was comfy, if a hair claustrophobic (BJ’s dad had more of a problem with that than I did). The back seat wasn’t huge, with my seat pushed all the way back, but plenty big enough to accommodate Pigpen’s legs and booster seat, and it didn’t look like it’d be hard to get him in or out of it.

The seats weren’t uncomfy, but not the worn out 20 years old comfy that I drive on now.

All in all, I wouldn’t say I was disappointed, but there were some expectations not lived up to. We thanked the guy, and took off back to BJ’s folks house (with some mexican food).

After dinner, tho, I talked MastaG into coming with me to try some other models. The Civic was a hair smaller, but I wanted to give it a whirl. I also wanted to see if the guy could point me in some other models I hadn’t considered.

When I got there, the same dude helped us out, and we browsed. He evidentially had done some checking around, and had a few more cars to show off.

leftfront3.jpgThere was a 2005 Mazda6, a bit bigger, and a wagon. It was red, had the little wagon spoiler, a moonroof, and a rich black leather interior.

Now, the leather, while beautiful, won’t feel so great in the summer time…

It was also an automatic, so I was dubious. We looked on.

There was a couple other 6s, one with a stick in a sedan model. The car was the same red, but had a meh brown canvas interior. It just didn’t look right. We looked on.

We looked at an 03 Nissan Spec V, which made my testosterone, and apparently the little ricer car enthusiast that I’ve always kept locked up, start spiking. It was a four door, stick shift, but I could just see myself getting in trouble with something like that… moving on.

We stopped at a 04 or so Civic coupe. Now, it was a 2 door, which is basically an automatic disqualification, but I wanted to try one out, so we got the keys. The Mazda dude let us go on our own, so MastaG strapped in, and we took off.

Jesus Christ, that thing drove like a banshee with its ass on fire!

My eyes started picking up a maniacal gleam, and MastaG was over there cackling at the sheer acceleration in the beast. We flipped on the radio, and immediately found Metallica playing “Master Of Puppets” on the local station. I think that might be all the car plays. I haven’t liked Metallica in years, and MastaG has never heard em to my knowledge, but we were both shouting “MAS-TER! MAS-TER!”

Yes. I had to put that bastard back. It was telling me to take the hell off, drive to Branson at 120 miles an hour, screaming like a gibbering idiot the whole way. It was a vicious little bastard. It handled like a panther on speed, and left the line like a jet engine. You get glued to the seat, which kinda sucked, because the Civic evidently is not made for a man my size, and I didn’t fit comfortably on the seat. Additionally, the interior was bland.
And dammit, we’d have a bitch of a time getting Pigpen in and out. That’d suck.

We got back, and tried out that first wagon. MastaG was specifically wanting a Mazda, because his favorite Transformer turns into one. We got in it, noticing that it was the sport model, and took off.

It sucked. I don’t know if its because it was an automatic, or what, but it just felt sluggish. It felt like driving the van, just a smaller van. We didn’t even do our whole circuit of Kingston, interstate, Cedar Bluff, Kingston.

We got in a Protege 5, a 2003 precursor to the Mazda3, that advertised 34000, but really had 78000. The guy said they must have hit the wrong number, and 7 being right next to the 3 like it is, I let it slide.

This car was more like it. It wasn’t quite as quick as the Honda, but still made sure you knew that getting you somewhere was its highest priority. The interior, tho, lacked. It had a little aftermarket CD player in it, which I wasn’t tickled about, and appeared that a shoddy job of installing it was done. It had unicorn stickers on the passenger visor mirror. Bleah.

It was a nice drive, tho.

By now it was getting on to 5:30, and the place was closing at 6. He had one more car to show us, a hatchback, 2004 Mazda3 sport edition. ItHello, it said was silver, lacked the moonroof, but was a stick, and had that bigger engine. The interior was nice, and MastaG fell in love with it when I started it up, and the little console display, laser red, flashed “Hello”.

And like Goldilocks before me, I found one that was just right.

The damn thing took off like a rocket. It didn’t have the unbridled, meth addict speed of the Civic, but still took off like the proverbial bat out of hell. The road noise problem which plagued the other 3 was not evident in this car. There was a light on the front saying “Passenger Airback Off” which was great, because I think an airbag would do MastaG more harm than good, and we already discussed my front seat beliefs.

Oh hell yes.

We both agreed, this is it. This is the car right here. The trunk (or whatever it is you call it in a hatchback) has a respectable amount of room, I was plenty comfy, MastaG had all sorts of room, and Pigpen would have plenty in the back, even when his feet can touch the floor.

It was a hatchback, which has never been my first choice, but by jove, it SANG to me. It even had a XM radio console, which I wouldn’t use (10 bucks a month to listen to music I don’t pick out? New things? What?)

bm-110_mazda-3sporthatchback_nolight_2004-2005.jpgYes, Tumorites, I may have found my car.

But now we enter phase two, and one that requires nerves of steel, and ball of, uh, testicular matter (unless you’re a woman, in which case I assume that mammaries work). Now is when I have to descend into that office, and hold my own.

They want $16500 for the car, which is in line with the other dealerships (including Carmax) that I’ve seen. Between you and me, thats acceptable, but I wanna haggle. Consumer Reports tells me that it shouldn’t be more than $15 Gs.

I’ve never haggled professionally, but I’m damn good at it in Monopoly (where my technique is to piss off the other players so they quit and I win by default). I’ve dealt pretty well with this guy. When we were casually discussing payment, I mentioned an insurance check. He enquired as to what kind of insurance (assuming it was car), and I told him, very casually, that my wife had passed away in October, and that we were getting a more sensible vehicle for our family.

Yes, the dead wife card… we’ll give that a play, eh?

He took it in stride, though, giving the necessary condolences, which I casually (I’m casual Joe) thanked, and we moved on.

I have an appointment to meet him Monday. He mentioned that we could trade in the van, finance the rest of the car, and I could pay it off when I get the money. The problem with that plan is that I want to set it up with a huge down payment, and then finance the rest to get a lower monthly payment (I finance 12000, I’ll be paying pretty much what I pay for the van, which I’ve been able to budget, thanks to my friend Country Quicken Jones, but it’d still be nicer to have extra paddin in my pocket).

Thats, unfortunately, where my impulsive nature works against me… I’d rather not have to look for this model of car elsewhere, but at the same time, I’d rather not buy it Monday. If they can work some sort of financial alchemy where I’d be able to refinance the loan after I get the check, it’ll work, otherwise, I’ll take my chances and wait for the check to show.

But first, I’m going to try my hand at this haggling thing, and talk the dude down to about 15000 or so. I’m kinda looking forward to the challenge, to be firm, while at the same time unthreatening, not appearing obstinate. Head games, yes, its time for head games.

Its like a chess match, or something.

Whattaya think?

Oh yeah, the astute reader may notice the kids are gone tonight. I’m sticking around the house unless something cool happens in my general vicinity, like a van full of party people take me out to a bonfire or something. I’ve got my Velvet Underground (which OH MY GOD, I’ve been addicted to), my cigars, and my guitar.

I got blisters on my fingers, people..

27 Responses to “Hagglin’ Time!!!”



  1. JennCurran Says:

    Just buy the damn car. It’s perfect. If they let her go at $15, take the deal, pay down the loan when you get the check, pay the balance off in 6 months and give your credit the boost too. Win-win. And, you totally deserve some fun.

    I’m impulsive, you probably shouldn’t listen to me. But that is a sweet ride!! Woot!

  2. Southerncharm Says:

    My dad is a pro at the hagglin stuff. He tells them what he willing to pay (with in reason) and he sticks to it. When they come back for the second or third time after “going to see the boss” and they still cant he gets up shakes their hand and says “Thanks for your time”, and walks out. The whole time they are chasing after him trying to talk him back in. LOL My dad actually bought my first car that way and when the salesman caught up to him in the parking lot my dad said he would flip a coin, heads they give him the price he asked, tails he pays the last offer they gave. He flipped the coin and it landed on heads. He won, they agreed and he bought the car. I was amazed at 16yrs old at what my dad could do. :-)

  3. DebbieS Says:

    Suh-weet car! When DH and I haggled for our car, I suggested we play, “good cop, bad cop” with the saleslady. (DH does not know how to haggle and I have the proverbial silver tongue so this was a real gas.) He excused himself to go to the restroom and I made a big show of relief and said to the salesperson, “Good, he’s gone…now, he really wants to get a Mazda (we were at a Toyota dealership), but I like Toyotas better, but I think I can get him to change his mind. I’ll tell you this figure, and you pretend to not like it then change your mind and agree. If he thinks he’s getting a great deal he’ll let me get a Toyota instead. OK?” And I nodded my head for emphasis. Of course, the figure I stated was way under what they wanted me to pay for the car, there was no cash back rebate for that model year yet but I made them give me the equivalent anyway, and we timed it such that my husband came back from the restroom right away so there was no time for me to argue. Anyway, it was hilarious and it worked like a charm. Good luck getting them to slash that price! Another “trick” I love to use is an extremely sincere and grateful-sounding “Thank you SO much for your help!!” as I am slowly making my way out the door. Heh heh. Wish we could give you a hand, you’d get a great deal and a good laugh!

  4. Joel Says:

    If you want to win this thing, you’ll have to be willing to walk away. Are you?

  5. damama Says:

    Man, that car looks nice!

  6. MSueS Says:

    I don’t like the ‘office’ part either. Manipulation 101: The salesman has made friends with you, bonding enough to make you want to keep him from having trouble or making him feel bad. Get over that part of it before setting foot in the office. Although, they may bring in a new guy for this level and they will be the highpowered, fast questions, bullying type. I’m not trying to scare you, just let you in on their techniques….and make sure you know your bottom line (sounds dirty, doesn’t it) before stepping into the inner sanctum. Also, they might offer you the price you want…but will change another line on the agreement..meaning you are still not getting what you want but feel like you are. Like offering to pay sales tax for you, but adding it into the loan contract. I’ve been there and sometimes I just sign and take what they offer…other times I am prepared to take some time, walk away and hope for the best. The thing is with buyers is that we are new at it, inexperienced and out of our comfort zone. “They” do this for a living and the better they do it the bigger their commission. Add to all that the siren call the car is sending out to you (it must be factory installed, right?) Good luck.

  7. daco Says:

    AT, as one who used to sell automobiles…(longest 5 weeks of my life) all these folks are right. Especially Joel.

    The biggest thing you have in your favor is the competition between car dealers. Look at Clinton Hwy, Alcoa Hwy and Kingston Pike for crying out loud. There are a hundred freakin’ car dealers in Knoxville.

    DO NOT buy this car without going to another Mazda dealer and getting his lowest price on the car you want. Pit the two against each other and I promise you will save money.

    I recently saved my mom over three thousand dollars by getting online and making one phone call.

    Good luck.

  8. Allisone Says:

    Hmmm you didn’t put the url to the ‘Tumor in your .sig when you emailed the dealership guys did you?

    Just had an image of them reading all the comments - he he he.

  9. timsan1 Says:

    So will you get a red one? These are the important things you know. You know, the whole engine size thing - like size matters — when you have a manuel transmission things change. You can have a smaller engine and get a crap load more take off when you can feel when to shift. Instead of that cyborg automatic telling the engine when to shift. Save more gass too.

    tg

  10. Stormare Mackee Says:

    My recommendation is to haggle an “out the door” price, which includes the vehicle, taxes, tags and all the little “dealer fees” minus rebates and incentives. If they ask you “how much you want to pay for the car”, lowball an “out the door” price, and if they disagree, say “how much do YOU want for it, out the door”. Also, if you’re really interested in the car, I would pull a CarFax report on it. We bought our Protege from Mazda Knoxville, and (back then) they were very reasonable people to work with.

  11. Atomictumor Says:

    Yeah, I kicked myself last night for not getting the VIN to run the carfax on. I’ll be doing that before I purchase the car.
    I’m not afraid at all to walk away from it, which is why I’m doing this in stages. Gotta curb that impulsive nature…

  12. Sher Says:

    I just bought that 04 Civic Coupe that you so loved, and boy oh boy did we get a steal. I brought my best friend along, who is thinking about starting a small business using her wheel and deal money saving skills. (She’d get a percentage of what she saved her customers- it’s a win-win situation!) We got the car for over two grand under kelly blue book and had them throw in a free detailing, oil change and full tank of gas. Just keep in mind that you’re the master of this particular situation, give them a ridiculously low price that they’ll initially balk at and then meet somewhere in the middle. They’ll give you the, “If we give it to you at this price, we’ll be LOSING money,” speech and you’ll know that’s not true because they’ve marked up the sticker price to begin with. Good luck AT! It looks like a sweet ride!

  13. jenwright Says:

    That is totally a bitchin’ car. My mind rays have been working because I’ve been thinking that what you need is a sweet and sporty hatchback. Those boys might just outgrow you one of these days, and this car might last until then.

    Take the advice of all these intelligent people, AT. You really need to go to other dealerships. Don’t make appts or anything like that - just walk through their lots.

  14. Bullet Says:

    Ohhh, man. I love haggling with sales people. Nate Hates going w/ me (tho he admits he’s quite impressed w/that side of me) b/c I walk away several times. Ooooo..love it, love it, love it. Maybe it’s b/c I was in sales for so long and had to put up with hardasses….Good luck buddy.

  15. Jane Says:

    Go to other places. Lowball them and then take all the lowball prices and let them fight over you. The best tactic ever is the walking away one. It’s so much fun to see them literally running after you!

    That does look like a nice car!

  16. Jacket Says:

    AT, sorry for the caps but hear me: HOLD ON, THE MAZDA IS BASED ON THE FOCUS. IN TODAY’S PAPER THERE IS A STORY THAT IT IS BEING RETOOLED, RESTYLED AND UPDATED FOR RELEASE LATER THIS SPRING AS AN ‘08.

    Don’t jump too soon.

  17. Atomictumor Says:

    Why take the hit in depreciation for a new car? If this one looks good, has good reliability ratings, so on and so forth, whats the point in not getting it?

  18. Atomictumor Says:

    And, I think you got it backwards. In 05 the Focus took on the Mazda3 platform, but apparently didn’t do a very good job of it…

  19. Jacket Says:

    Here is the deal, if you buy it now, it will immediately be dated thus MORE depreciation than normal. Secondly, it doesn’t matter which came first the Focus or the 3. They are on the same platform. This means if Ford, the true owner of the style, changes one, the other gets the whammy. That assembly line thing with interchangable parts concept is at play here.

    Again, to buy before a retool is good for price hagglin’ but the depreciation goes quicker IMHO.

  20. Atomictumor Says:

    See, I’m not really as worried about that, because I plan on keeping the car for the next 5 or so years anyway. By then, depreciation won’t be an issue, because I wouldn’t get squat for it anyway, way I figure.
    And I’ve been trying to ignore the fact that Ford owns it… ugg.

  21. Jane Says:

    I have always loved my Fords! I like to buy new because then you have that nice warranty to fall back on. Also you know the history of the car. (There is none…) No wondering if the previous owner was good about changing the oil and stuff.

    having said that…I also like buying what are called the “demo cars” used. Usually very low miles. And good maintenance. They were usually test drive models or were used by the car salesman/dealership managers. Never over a year old.

    I’m glad I’m not shopping for a car. Good Luck!

  22. Atomictumor Says:

    See, my beef with a new car is that insta-depreciation. I like knowing my loan is going to keep in line with the value.

  23. Jacket Says:

    I used to think that about Ford AT but when I bought the Escape model it changed my mind. They appear to have made a change in direction on quality, even though it has always been “job one”.

    These cars look good, move good and are somewhat stingy on fuel.

    I understand you are talking new “used” here and the depreciation is already down some. I just wanted to point out something you may have missed about the retool. Had I inquired about this when I bought a new tractor two years ago, I would have waited one year, the improvements would have been worth it a lot.

  24. Atomictumor Says:

    Yeah, but it seems if history is right, the first year of a retool is always bad. You wait for a second year to refine problems with the electrics and fuel system, etc, and then its 09, and I’ve still got that friggin van!
    I dig what you’re saying tho, dude.

  25. Jacket Says:

    I think that is the first year of a new model, not retool. The Mustang was retooled about three times since 1978 with little or no quality problems so long as you bought a Mustang, in it’s muscle version instead of the Pinto based version with a four cylinder and no frills.

  26. Kuni Says:

    >>Yeah, but it seems if history is right, the first year of a retool is always bad.>The guy said they must have hit the wrong number, and 7 being right next to the 3 like it is, I let it slide.

  27. Kuni Says:

    Oh hey look, my comment got totally cut off. Now I just look like an idiot and/or spambot…

    I’d retype it today, but I can’t remember what I said. :(