May 14th, 2007 by Atomictumor
“Come and listen to a story bout a man named Ray,
OakRidgerX, had a lot of things to say”
Seems like no matter what you do, you end up getting weirdos trying to trip up what you do. GAC and I attracted one last year, around September.
We had spent the summer doing the ACES thing, trying (and failing) pretty darn hard to sweet talk the city into giving the school system enough money to keep from cutting bus lines. In hindsight, it worked out better than I thought it would, I was paranoid that some coffee fueled weirdo would run down a poor first grader crossing Illinois Ave to get to school. We’d been talking about it at length, and by August were getting ready for school to start. Eaves wrote a post about how parents need to step up and take a bit more responsibility for their kids getting to school, when we got a comment from some guy named AnotherAtomicCitizen.
Now, this guy had been on the Oak Ridger forums, and was one of the reasons they were going downhill. He had a tendancy to just ramble, without making much of a point, or any kind of effort at objectivity. He was a troll, plain and simple. You can see about halfway down the comments on that page, where he came in. Now, after posting that first one, he jumped onto another post that GAC wrote about this hit and run driver at Staples, and insulted her.
Well, that pissed me off. By the time he came back to Eave’s post, I yelled at him, and banninnated him from the tumor, the only person in history to have been hwacked like that.
I like dealing with trolls on the tumor, which is why we don’t see too many of them. We’ve had him, and this other guy who worked for a car dealership in town, and posted from his mom’s house. The thing is, I’m really, really good at detective work, and getting around the anonymity of people who post on the site. I’m geeky that way.
By taking his email address, atomic-rebuilders@comcast.net, and doing some google searches on it, we determined that a guy named Ray (or Raymond) Kircher runs a home repair business called that. By doing some further google searching, we found him popping up on some other forums, and a little more found some letters to the editor that he wrote that exactly matched what he was saying on the forums, down to the grammar and sentence structure.
Oh yeah, we had positive ID.
Some time went on, and his wife (who posted under the name Atomic Citizen, but tended to be a bit more rounded and make more sense) asked if we couldn’t unblock the home IP so that she could read the tumor. I went ahead and did it, and never blocked him again. Because, hell, now I had ammunition.
But things were cool. They popped on a time or two more, but I think it was mostly the wife that posted. She ended up talking with GAC about setting up some neighborhood watch groups to keep an eye on kids walking to school in the morning, but between school and dying, GAC didn’t have much of a chance to do it. When the kids got a nasty bout of poison ivy, she came online with some ideas to help.
When GAC died, one of them was on the site expressing good wishes. I think it might have been the wife, because whenever we’d get sensible posts, they’d have a hotmail email address, something about being a stepparent.
I had stopped paying attention to the Oak Ridger forums, but apparently the AnotherAtomicCitizen login, the one that was indisputably Ray’s, got banned by the admin for something or another. Shortly after the banning, OakRidgerX showed up. Now, it didn’t take much of reading for me to be pretty sure that ol Ray was back in the saddle again, but I was staying out of it, I had my own problems, and he was leaving me alone.
Cool.
I helped Daco set up his website last winter. Daco had still been on the forums, trying to wrestle them into something worth going to on a daily basis, and by doing so had become the object of enmity on the part of OakRidgerX. When he got Manland set up, it didn’t take long to get mean spirited comments by Oak Ridger X. Now, by now he had the sense to keep the atomic-rebuilders email address off, using an oakridgerx at comcast, but damned if it wasn’t the same old IP address that used to pop up on the tumor, showing a comcast account in Oak Ridge, on LaSalle Rd.
Positive ID, once again.
However, it didn’t matter to me, because he wasn’t bothering me. Hell, back in September he called himself part of the AT family, and was invited to our anniversary party. I figured things were cool.
Something must have happened. He was opposing the COR thing, and getting at odds with Daco. He also had a fixation with attacking Angi Agle on the school board, who’s a friend of mine. However, she’s a big girl, and in public office, so I figured she could handle herself.
A few weeks ago, tho, he started attacking her kids. That just wasn’t cool, so I started stepping in. I tried not to be an ass, as I know I can come off online, but it was really irritating me. Her kids are angels. They babysit my boys. They’re too good to be maligned by scum online.
I understand that Angi went to the publisher of the Oak Ridger, with some printouts of what sure looks like libel in there, and the publisher didn’t want to do anything about it. Thats a bit disappointing, it wouldn’t take much to rein in the bad elements in that forum, just the backbone to stand up. I mean, what can Kircher do? Sue em?
Around this time, I started investigating Kircher’s appearances on the ‘tumor. I determined, with the help of Netmom and Daco, that he was using an IP proxy to get around the ban on the Oak Ridger forums. Whats interesting about the occurances is that he always popped onto the ‘tumor from Ellen Smith’s website. I notice on her page that he’s constantly posting comments under his real name, and there were correlations between when those comments would come on, and when I’d see somebody with his cookie (the tumor does use unique cookies for tracking, hee) pop on with an IP that would be in one of three ranges.
Now, an IP proxy is an interesting thing. I’m not sure which one specifically he’s using (probably Freebar), but what it does is take the home IP address that he posts from his house (68.34.212.157) and connects to another server, which uses one of three IP ranges. Whats interesting about the ranges is that they go through an ISP called Groupe Iweb Technologies, hosted in Canada (because proxies are only semi-legal in the states, and certainly against the user agreement made when you get an account with, say, Comcast).
Groupe Iweb Technologies has been linked with terrorists and scammers. Super company, and kinda fitting.
Now, what brought this up, and the entire reason I’ve been going on this diatribe, is because he made it personal. On the day before Mothers Day, he put this up on the forums:
By the way, congratulations for GAC’s commencement, I hope the boys use it well.
My first reaction was shock. I’ve always tended to jump to GAC’s defense, and can go to the extent that I’ll imagine an offence when it wasn’t really there. I took a bit of time to form a reply, and it ended up being one suggesting that I didn’t appreciate where he had gone, we can insult each other online all day long, but that I’ve always respected the fact that we don’t attack families (despite what he had said about Angi’s kids).
Particuarly not motherless boys, the day before Mothers Day. I mean, how low can you be, right? Surely he didn’t mean it.
However, his subsequent responses indicated that he meant it the way that I took it. I talked with a few other people who saw it to make sure I didn’t overreact, and then bounced back with an angry reply.
He responded indicating that I choose to be public on the internet.
I thought about this for a while, and last night I figured on turning the other cheek. I sent an email to him, on all three email addresses (the oakridgerx one, the atomic-rebuilders one, and the stepmonster one) suggesting that its all forgiven, just as long as he understands that the jibe at GAC wounded me pretty deeply, and that he’d stay off that ground in the future.
This morning, he reiterated on the forums that I chose to be public on the internet.
Well, thats true. However, now that he’s chosen to attack me publicly like this, I’m evening the playing field. Petty? Maybe. But the fact that this guy, Ray Kircher, owner of Atomic Rebuilder’s home repair here in Oak Ridge, attacks the children of school board members, and makes strange insinuations about GAC and my boys, indicates that he is a menace, and locally, people need to know who he is so they can be aware that he is unstable, and very possibly dangerous.
If nothing else, he’s simply vile and mean spirited, and people need to know this also.
So, Ray Kircher, OakRidgerX, enjoy your publicity. Jackass.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Excellent detective work, AT.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Glad for the confirmation. GAC was a wonderful person and you would make her proud.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:04 am
Maybe I can helf zim wif some intense electroshocktzerapy?
May 14th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Wow that is one angry dude.
I certainly wouldn’t ever hire him to do any work for me.
I think the worst that could ever happen to him is to be ignored.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Never underestimate the detective ability of a geek with a computer!! The internet is such a crazy thing. People get on here and say things that they would never say if they were standing in front of you. Poor ol’ Ray. Karma is a bitch!!
May 14th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
What a shithead! You won’t get any of my business Ray.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
I think it’s cool that you are calling him out on his comments. What a jerk!
May 14th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
As I understand it OX, or whoever, may not be from “around here”. He certainly doesn’t possess any southern charm. Some folks gain that trait after living here for a while. OX probably never will.
He is the MAIN reason I will not post on that forum again. All AT stated is true to the nth degree, including unintelligible ramblings.
I really fail to understand what NM did to him, and I certainly cannot understand what AT has done but be friends with NM. I guess it is guilt by association. If neither are guilty of anything that is not a reason also.
I can be a jerk, daco can be jerk, on these forums but we certainly know where the line is and mostly it is good hearted razzin’.
OX, (or whatever name he has chosen this week), on the otherhand is on a mission to do just exactly what he shows he is doing. To destroy everything he gets involved with, including the City of Oak Ridge, and the ORSB. That being said, his being hell bent on that mission proves his intelligence. He may just take his livelihood down with it, especially if it depends upon referral work.
AT summed it up in the last sentence of this post. The comments were uncalled for, out of line, and damn disgusting. He needs to be removed from that forum and if using a proxy as AT has determined, a call to homeland security?
May 14th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Is it your tracking cookies that my antivirus software keeps deleting?
May 14th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
No, your antivirus loves my tracking cookies. They’re bffs.
May 14th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
I wish I was a geek.
Right on AT!
May 14th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Please be careful, AT.
You’re feeding this troll, and he’s undoubtedly enjoying all the attention.
May 14th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Mayvee a coool vater enima?
May 14th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
You, sir, rock.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Good for you. I can’t stand cowards who hide while attacking people who sign their names to what they write.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
I’m going to have that song in my head all day.
I lurk in the forums every now and again, and ORX just spews hatred and ignorance. He’s like mildew that keeps coming back.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
This guy grosses me out- what a heartless, disgusting, bastard.
May 14th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Only problem that I noticed with your rant is that Kircher isn’t married. As hard as it might be to believe, he has a girlfriend that he lives with. I won’t pull a Kircher and post her name, but her name is the one listed in the phone book for there home address.
May 14th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
I wouldn’t bring her up, because I don’t think she’s a part of the problem.
May 14th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Stranger Danger.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
People need to know that this man is unstable and dangerous. He goes into people homes to do his work. That is scary as hell.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Actually, I don’t think he’s dangerous. Impotent, yes. Dangerous or scary, no. Or maybe dangerous and scary in the way that Bozo the Clown is dangerous and scary. Take away the costume and makeup and there’s no there there.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Wow. You’re crazy like a fox AT
May 14th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Wow, what a flame. The most effective flame is even-tempered and lets the act speak for itself. The world could take lessons from you. I’m impressed.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Nicely done. Glad to see he got what he deserves.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
AAC/ORX is scum. He left a comment at my site on my post regarding the incident with a teacher accused of having an improper relationship with a teenage girl. He NAMED the girl’s family! She’s a minor! Of course I edited the comment to remove the name, but the evidence that AAC crapped in my yard is there, oh and look! Same IP address too!
May 15th, 2007 at 10:56 am
I used to have a problem like that–two boys were making personal attacks on me on both my site and local message boards.
So I printed out their comments and everything my site tracker has on them: IP addresses and date and time of visits. If they do it one more time, I’m going to mail their bosses everything I have and asking if he likes what they do on company time.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:02 am
This arse wipe appears to be very silent over on that forum today. Hmmmmm?
May 18th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Oh, dude you are so cool - when I grow up I want to be like you! One day, when I understand what cookies are for (other than eating!) I am gonna make my computer work for me and tell me all kinds of stuff too.
Scary that people let him into their home.
May 24th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
AT, I am so impressed not only with your detecting abilities, but with your grace and maturity in handling that horse’s ass. AND that is an insult to the poor horse. I read daily the Oak Ridge forum when GAC was so sick and she passed away. I still visit your site tho not often and hope that you and your boys are dealing with the emotional upheaval that losing your spouse and mother puts you through. Don’t let this son of a bitch get you upset. He’s not worth the time or effort. You hit him where it hurts and I doubt he’s smart enough to even realize it. Good luck to you and yours.
May 24th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
Y’know, I don’t bear any ill feelings about it. I figure we’re even, so I’m done with it, and wish him the best.